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The Cook County Coyote report said something about coyote attacks that is also relevant to this article:

“Although we were able to gather some useful insights from our research of coyote attacks within the United States and Canada, we were limited by the source of our data. Records of coyote attacks throughout the U.S. and Canada are often incomplete, inaccessible, and… contained few details about the coyote attack…..We feel that a standardized reporting system of coyote attacks throughout the U.S. and Canada would be extremely helpful for further informing the details and circumstances of coyote attacks on humans, and for preventing future attacks.”

The same might be said about wolf attacks. We should endeavor to provide important details to the page user.

• In the case of coyote attacks, I’ve noticed that experts are careful where possible to record the time of day, but that doesn’t seem to be a priority with dog attack reports.
• Wolf, coyote, and dog reports tend to focus on evidence or lack of same for rabies, but bear attack reports don’t appear to be interested.
• Wolf and bear attacks tell us whether the animal was captive or wild, but that’s not a common question with coyotes.
• But in most cases, we want to know where, when, and to whom the attack occurred. And the name, age, and sex of the victim.
• They want to know the immediate context, events leading up to and following the attack.
• How did the attack go down, and what injuries were sustained in the process?
• Unlike dog attacks, wild animal attack researchers look for proof that the animal had been fed by or otherwise habituated to humans.
• All tend to be interested in the final fate of the animal and wounds sustained by the victim.

We should definitely provide as many of the kinds of details that users can be predicted to be interested in. For this reason, at the very least, we should not have replaced the previous chart with the summary chart, but merely supplemented it. I plan to wait an appropriate amount of time for input, but plan to restore it as soon as appropriate alongside the summary chart for the sake of the reader. Chrisrus (talk) 23:53, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

An alternative to the infobox could be a section analogous to the leopard attack article's "Notable maneaters", with only notable cases included (those that became subject to folklore, became media sensations or were exceptionally well documented by biologists). The reason the previous chart was done away with was pretty much due to the Moriceau source, which contains well over 3000 instances of fatalities. The ones that had been included were only a quarter of that amount, and to include them all would have inflated the article to tedious levels, as well as take more free time than most editors have available to them. Mariomassone (talk) 10:45, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

I see. "Histoire du méchant loup 3 000 attaques sur l'homme en France" contains too many attacks for us to list them all here. The list was too long. Could we not consolidate his attacks into one or just a few list items, or some such other solution that would allow us to save all that detail, all that good information that is now lost to Wikipedia? How about splitting it off into one large list? Anything short of losing all that good information.

Maybe I'll go dig it out of the History, post it here, collapse it so it won't disrupt, and then we can work on it here? Chrisrus (talk) 02:29, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

List of fatal wolf attacks worldwide

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Despite any automatically generated disclaimers to the contrary, feel free to edit: This is a list of known fatal wolf attacks worldwide by century in reverse chronological order. 2000s Victim(s) Age Gender Date Type of attack Location Details Source(s) Adil Ahmad 9 ♂ July 13, 2013 Predatory Kreeri area, Baramulla district, north of Srinagar, India Fatally bitten on the neck. Aadil Hameed Sheikh 7 ♂ July 13, 2013 Predatory Hail village, northern Kashmir Killed by two wolves. 80 ♂ June 12, 2013 Hacılar village, near Tortum, Erzurum province, eastern Turkey The wolf also wounded four more people, one of whom was reported to have saved himself from a second attack by climbing a tree. The wolf was shot and killed and its body was sent to a lab for rabies testing. 81 ♀ February 5, 2013 Predatory Badzhuv Rushan, Tajikistan The victim was attacked by multiple wolves early in the morning. Despite intervention from neighbors, she died from a severe injury to the throat. Abbas Mohammed 5 ♂ September 24, 2012 Predatory Hilla, Iraq The victim was picking berries with five older boys, when a wolf attacked him and tore open his abdomen. Rukmanna 18 months ♂ August, 2012 Predatory Belur village, Gulbarga, India The victim was left sleeping under a tree as his mother worked in a nearby field. The child was found missing at 16:00, and a search was mounted. The child's skull was found on the morning of August 24 in an area where wolves were sighted. The village had previously reported a non-fatal attack on a five-year old boy the year before. Jeffrey Kartsivadze 60 ♂ July 10, 2012 Predatory Zemo village, Shuakhevi District, Georgia Stanislav Biennale 2 ♂ July, 2012 Predatory Berezino, Ukraine The victim went missing on July 23 during a visit to his foster mother's parents. His hands and head were found on August 1, 500 meters from the village. Varlam Butskhrikidze 65 ♂ February, 2012 Predatory Vazisubani village, Telavi District, Georgia Found dying of blood-loss in his home from a severed arm. It was later confirmed that the culprit was a wolf. 30 ♀ June 17, 2012 Predatory Kolmården Wildlife Park, near Norrköping, Sweden The victim was a zoo employee who had worked with the Kolmården wolf pack, consisting of eight wolves, for three years. The wolves had previously attacked three other people: in 2007, Swedish TV-profile Arne Weise was knocked over by one, in 2010 a visitor sustained a bite to the arm, and a 15-year old girl had been bitten on the thigh by one of the wolves a month before the fatal 2012 attack. The zoo operated a policy of "social activities", in which staff members interacted with the animals in order to establish rapport with them. The zoo employee was attacked at 11:00 AM after entering the wolf enclosure alone, and her colleagues only noticed her absence an hour later. Paramedics were unable to reach her on time, as the wolves had surrounded her body. After the attack, the zoo discontinued its "social activities". Two people 62/? ♀/? March, 2012 Tengzhou, Shandong, China In addition to the fatal attacks, the wolf involved had injured five other people, including a boy on his way to school. On March 19, the local police tracked the wolf to a wheat field and shot it in the leg, chasing it for 20 km before killing it. The wolf weighed 58.5 kg, and measured 80 cm in height and a metre in length. Candice Berner 32 ♀ March 10, 2010 Predatory Chignik Lake, Alaska, USA, 475 miles southwest of Anchorage Berner, a teacher and avid jogger, was discovered dead along a road by snowmobilers, who found wolf tracks in the adjacent snow. The Alaska State Medical Examiner ruled that her death was caused by "multiple injuries due to animal mauling." A series of necropsies performed on wolves culled in the surrounding area shortly after the attack ruled out rabies, sickness, or wolf-dog hybridisation as being causes of the attack. The case was notable as being the first fatal wolf attack in North America in which DNA evidence was gathered to confirm wolf involvement. Adult ♀ February 20, 2009 Predatory Giorgitsminda, Kakheti, Georgia, about 40 kilometres from Tbilisi The victim had been missing for several days before being discovered. Prior to the attack, numerous wolf attacks on both livestock and humans had been reported in the region in the last month. Two weeks before the attack, a woman in the village of Pirosmani suffered serious throat injuries from a wolf attack. Kenton Joel Carnegie 22 ♂ November 8, 2005 Predatory Prince Albert, Saskatchewan, Canada Carnegie had gone for a walk and didn't return to the geological surveyors' camp where he was working. His body was found partially consumed in an area known to be frequented by four wolves which regularly fed on human refuse. The pathologist who performed the autopsy, testified Carnegie had lost about 25% to 30% of his body mass in the attack, with the top midsection to the thigh having been partially consumed. Although originally the possibility that the culprit was a black bear was not ruled out, a coroners' jury concluded after a two year inquiry that the attackers had indeed been wolves. Two people Winter, 2005 Khost province, Afghanistan Occurred during what was considered the worst Afghan Winter in over a decade. Four people Winter, 2005 Naka, Paktia province, Afghanistan Two of the victims were killed during trips to other villages. Two people Early February, 2005 Muinak district, western Uzbekistan ♂ January 5, 2005 Predatory Village of Vali-Asr, near the town of Torbat Heydariya, northeastern Iran Wolves entering the village seeking refuge from harsh weather attacked an elderly homeless man in front of witnesses. Those witnessing the incident attempted to fight off the wolves, while waiting for police assistance. Police intervention never came, and the victim died. Three people Winter, 2003 Astrakhan Oblast, Russia Three shepherds Winter, 2003 Sredneakhtubinsky District, Russia. 1900s Victim(s) Age Gender Date Type of attack Location Details Source(s) Anand Kumar 4 ♂ 1996 Predatory Banbirpur, India The wolf attacked Kumar while he, his two siblings and his mother were using the open ground for their toilet. When a police search party found the boy three days later, half a mile away, all that remained of the body was the head. Patricia Wyman 24 ♀ April 18, 1996 Predatory Haliburton, Ontario, Canada Wyman had been hired as a new caretaker of the wolves at the Haliburton forest and wildlife preserve. The five wolves involved in the attack tested negative for rabies, and had been raised in captivity all their lives, but had never been socialized with humans. 60 children March, 1996 Uttar Pradesh, India Michael Amosov 60 ♂ February 21, 1996 Predatory Hamlet of Bolonitza, Zadrach, Belarus Amosov disappeared while walking to Bolonitza from Zadrach through a forest. A search party followed his tracks and found an area of churned, bloodied snow surrounded by multiple wolf tracks. 55 ♂ December, 1995 Predatory Hvoschono, Belarus The victim was a woodcutter who disappeared while working in a nearby forest. Two days later, a search party found his remains surrounded by wolf tracks. 9 ♀ December, 1995 Predatory Usviatyda, Belarus Disappeared while walking home from school. Her father searched for her and found her head surrounded by bloodied snow covered in wolf tracks. Adult ♀ October, 1995 Rabid Village south of Voronezh, Russia Fatally bitten on the throat whilst working in a cornfield. The same wolf then bit a mushroom picker, a man working on a beetroot plantation, and a third man, all of which survived. It was subsequently killed by workers armed with pitchforks. The wolf was examined at the Pavlovsk hospital, and found to be rabid. 60 children April 1993-April 1995 Hazaribagh, India Five wolf packs were thought to be responsible for the attacks. 1995 Predatory Karelia, Russia The fatal attack prompted the organisation of a major hunt, with a prize of $2000 for the hunter who killed the most wolves. Adult ♀ 1993 Predatory 40 km from Tasmurinsky State Hunting Area, north of Almaty, Kazakhstan Killed and partially eaten. 17 children Late 1985-January 1986 Predatory Ashta, India. The pack responsible for the attacks consisted of two adult males, an adult female, a subadult female and two pups. With the exception of the pups, which were adopted by Pardhi tribesmen, all wolves were killed by hunters and forest officials. Adult ♀ June, 1982 Possibly rabid Dubrova, Belarus Discovered in the vicinity of Dubrova village, with bite marks on the face, arms and legs. The same wolf had previously attacked people, cows, goats and a dog in the villages of Berzhelat, Zagornika, and Sventoyansk. It was killed by two hunters after it attempted to charge at them. Vera Khrapovitskaya/Seruk Maria 23/58 ♀/♀ November 10, 1980 Rabid Piskuni, Postavsky district, Russia The attack occurred at 16:00 PM. Vera was mauled to death defending her geese, while Seruk was killed attempting to save her. The wolf further injured a man attempting to intervene, and was subsequently killed by a crowd of people. Elderly ♀ 1980 Rabid Estonia Adult ♀ August 1979 Rabid Sinezerka, Bryansk Oblast, Russia Bitten on the cheek and buttocks. The wolf involved was a rabid female, which had also attacked four adults and an eight-year old boy. Javier Iglesias Balbin 3 ♂ July 10, 1974 Predatory Rante, Spain Probably the same wolf as below. It grabbed Balbin, who was sitting beside an elderly woman, and carried him off. His body was found 250m away in a patch of woodland. The wolf was identified as a lactating female. The wolf involved died from eating poisoned bait four days later. The attacks had occurred in a 6km area surrounding a den with two pups. Although the animal tested negative for rabies, it had a severe parasite infestation. Jose Tomas Martinez Perez 11 months ♂ July 4, 1974 Predatory Rante, Spain The wolf grabbed Perez, who was lying close to some adults and older children on a field, and carried him through some scrub before letting the dying baby go after being chased by the adults. 77 ♀ May 23, 1974 Rabid Arkadak, Saratov, Russia Died directly of severe injuries to the head and extremities. The wolf involved attack nine other people, who all survived after post rabies exposure treatment. Three people February 3, 1973 Rabid Aurangabad district, Bihar, India The wolf attacked 12 people and six animals, before being killed by villagers after biting a pregnant woman. All the victims who died had received head wounds. 18 people Adults ♂ Autumn, 1971 Rabid Hindu Kush, Afghanistan All 18 victims were attacked while guarding crops. Adult ♂ 1961 Rabid Slovakia Manuel Sar Pazos 4 ♂ June 21, 1959 Predatory Tines village, Castrelo, Spain Pazos was playing with a friend when a wolf attacked him and bit him on the back before chasing the second child. Adults managed to chase the wolf away. Two wolves were subsequently killed in the area in August that year, putting a stop to the attacks. Luis Vasquez Perez 5 ♂ June 25, 1957 Predatory Vilare village, Castrelo, Spain Perez was walking along a road with a friend when a wolf, later identified as a lactating female, attacked and killed him. The wolf chased the other boy and approached a 15 year old girl before being chased off by adults. Perz's body was discovered an hour later hidden in a bush, with bite marks on the head, chest and legs. Lidia Tupitsyna 6 ♀ April 12, 1952 Predatory Orichevsky District, Kirov Oblast, Russia Dragged off by a wolf whilst picking berries. Four people Children 1951-1953 Predatory Oritji, Kirov Oblast, Russia 10 ♀ April 29, 1951 Predatory Tarasovok, Orichevsky District, Kirov Oblast, Russia Killed by a wolf whilst bathing with a friend in a small creek. 3-6 ♀/♀/♂ July/August 1950 Predatory Lebyazhsky District, Kirov Oblast, Russia Three children Reported in 1950 Predatory Poltava Oblast, Ukraine Killed by multiple wolves. Svetlana Tueva 8 ♀ November 17, 1948 Predatory Zykov, Nolinsky District, Kirov Oblast, Russia The victim was walking home from school with friends, and was attacked by five wolves, which dragged her about a kilometre into a forest. Only her overcoat was recovered. Nine children 7-12 July-August 1948 Predatory Darovskoy District, Kirov Oblast, Russia Adult/Adolescent ♀/? December 1947 Predatory Kirov Oblast, Russia The victims were killed by a large, male wolf near the Kirov railway's Suna station. The wolf had previously bitten and scratched 13 people over the course of a month. When finally killed, it was found to be 138 cm in body length, and was very emaciated. A bundle of woman's hair was found in its stomach. The wolf was thought to have become a man-eater due to being unable to catch ungulates, and was likely used to scavenging human corpses during the war. Veniamina Fokina 13 ♀ 1947 Predatory Rusanov, Khalturinsky District, Kirov Oblast, Russia Anna Mikheeva 16 ♀ 1947 Predatory Rusanov, Khalturinsky District, Kirov Oblast, Russia Wolves attacked the victim and her mother near Chernyabevij village. After killing her, the wolves dragged her into a forest. Following her blood trail, villagers first discovered her blood-stained dress, then her body, which was found to be partially eaten, and with a broken neck. 14 people Children Summer, 1946 Predatory Kolchinsky, Malinsky and Savinsky localities, Kaluga Oblast, Russia Child July 14, 1946 Predatory Red Warrior settlement, Kaluga Oblast, Russia Pimma Molchanova 5 ♀ May 8, 1945 Predatory Shilyavo, Nemsky District, Kirov Oblast, Russia The victim was attacked whilst washing galoshes by a stream with a seven-year old friend. Villagers followed her blood trail and found her body 500 metres away with injuries to the throat and the thigh muscles partially eaten. Maria Berdnikovu 17 ♀ April 29, 1945 Predatory Golodaevshchina, Kirov Oblast, Russia The victim was grabbed by the throat whilst working with her sister 50 metres from their cattle yard. Despite intervention from villagers, the wolf dragged her toward a forest, letting go about 200 yards into the forest. The same wolf killed a lamb the next day, and was thought to have lost its fear of humans because of a lack of hunters in the village since 1944. 10 people Mainly children 1945-1947 Predatory Vladimir, Kirov Oblast, Russia See Kirov wolf attacks. Valya Starikova 13 ♀ September 21, 1944 Predatory Golodaevshchina, Kirov Oblast, Russia The victim was carried into a forest. Only pieces of her shoes were recovered. Two people Adult/7 ♀/♀ Summer, 1944 Predatory Dubniaki, Mari El, Russia The woman and her granddaughter were killed by wolves whilst picking berries in the Mari-Solinsky forest. The bodies were covered with dark bruises, and one of the victim's throat was torn out. 22 people 3-17 1944-1950 Predatory Kirov, Kirov Oblast, Russia See Kirov wolf attacks. Child ♂ 1943 Rabid Wainwright, Alaska Adult ♂ 1942 Rabid Noorvik, Alaska 3 ♀ 1940s Predatory Near Bytosh railway station, Kaluga Oblast, Russia Killed whilst picking flowers. Five people Children July-August, 1937 Predatory Tymoszewicze and Hryniewicze villages, Belarus The attacks were perpetrated by two wolves, which acted during daylight hours near human habitations. Ten people 1924 Rabid Kirov, Kirov Oblast, Russia Killed by two rabid wolves, which bit another ten people who survived. Adult ♀ February 10, 1918 Predatory Châlus, France Killed and eaten near victim's house. 8 ♀ January 27, 1914 Predatory Les Cars, France Throat torn out by wolves near the border of Les Cars forest. Lavabre ♂ 1912 Predatory Alrance, France Killed and partially eaten by wolves near Nazareth in the forest of Lagast. 1800s Victim(s) Age Gender Date Type of attack Location Details Source(s) 25 people 1897-1914 Rabid Seven different counties, Poland 205 people 1896-1897 Predatory Kirov Oblast, Russia 10 people 1896-1897 Predatory Vologda Oblast, Russia 18 people 1896-1897 Predatory Kostroma Oblast, Russia One person 1896-1897 Predatory Arkhangelsk Oblast, Russia Nine people 1896-1897 Predatory Yaroslavl Oblast, Russia 8 ♂ 1880 Predatory Uusikirkko, Karelia (then part of Finland) Child ♀ 1880 Predatory France Throat torn out by a wolf in a barn. 22-35 people Children 1879-1882 Predatory Åbo, Finland The attacks were committed by a mated pair of wolves. As the attacks progressed, hunters from Russia, Lithuania and the Finnish army contributed to the effort in stopping them. The attacks ended after a female wolf was shot in January 1882, and a male 12 days later. Nine people Children 1877 Tammerfors, Finland 160 people 1875 Russia 21 people 1875 Kurland, Latvia L. Laurens 62 1 March, 1873 Predatory Meyrueis, France "Eaten by a wolf". 0 ♂ 1863 Predatory Saint-Amant-de-Bonnieure, France The newborn's body was found in a forest, with the upper body eaten by wolves. 12 ♀ 1859 Predatory Eurajoki, Finland Marie Bourret Adult ♀ August 25, 1857 Predatory Châteauneuf-de-Randon, France Killed and eaten by wolves, along with her daughter (see below). Bourret 10 ♀ August 25, 1857 Predatory Châteauneuf-de-Randon, France Died along with her mother from a lacerated leg. Child ♀ 1850 Predatory Luz-la-Croix-Haute, France Killed and eaten by a wolf whilst searching for rope in a granary. 376 people 266 adults/110 children 1849-1851 Russia Ten people children Autumn, 1847 Predatory 20 km from Shuya, Russia The wolf involved was a female, which had previously killed four other children the previous June (see below). Four children 4/8/6/9 ♂/♀/♀/♀ June, 1847 Predatory 20 km from Shuya, Russia The wolf's first victim was a four-year old boy. It then "tore to pieces" an eight-year old girl, who was picking berries with two friends. A few days later, it killed a six-year old girl in front of her mother. It later carried off a nine-year old girl in the presence of several workers tending fields. 21 people One adult and 20 children 1839-1850 Kimito, modern Russian Karelia 3 people Children 1836 Kimito, Finland Nine people One adult woman and eight children January 1831-summer 1832 Predatory Kaukola, Kareila, Finland 7 ♂ July 9, 1824 Predatory Saint-Mary, France "Eaten by a female wolf." 6 ♂ May 31, 1824 Mszaniec village, Bieszczady Mountains, Poland 14 months ♂ May 19, 1824 Predatory Les Pins, France "Eaten by a wolf." Pierre Clausse 3 ♂ September 7, 1821 Predatory Théding, France Dragged off and eaten by a wolf in the canton of Almeth. Only a portion of his leg, a shoulder, two ribs, and his intestine were recovered. Dubois 6 ♂ June 26, 1821 Predatory Saint-Estèphe, France Killed at 8:00 AM whilst tending pigs with three older boys. Despite fierce resistance, the victim was dragged off and killed in a wheat field. 12 people 3.5-19 December 30, 1820 - March 27, 1821 Predatory Gysinge, Gästrikland, Sweden The wolf in question had also attacked 15 other people, who survived. It is thought that the wolf had previously been kept in captivity for 3-4 years before escaping. With the exception of a 19-year old woman, all fatal attacks were directed against children between the ages of 3.5-15. The wolf was subsequently shot. 50 people 1820 Estonia 4 July 11, 1819 Predatory La Ferté, Jura, France "Caught and eaten by a wolf." 19 people 1819 Węgrów, Poland Jean Baron 3 ♂ January 16, 1818 Predatory Billy-sur-Oisy, France Dragged off by a wolf from a nearby wood whilst walking with a friend, 200m from the village of Chamoy. His head was discovered days later in a bush. François Talaron ♂ February 23, 1818 Predatory St. Martial, France Body found eaten by wolves in the mountains of Accens. 4 ♀ June 30, 1817 Predatory Near Clamecy, France Killed along with an older boy (see below) while tending livestock. 6 ♂ June 30, 1817 Predatory Near Clamecy, France Killed along with a younger girl while tending livestock. Child 1817 Predatory Charentenay, France Killed by a wolf, initially misidentified as a hyena. Jean-Baptiste Vigne 7 ♂ August 15, 1817 Predatory Sainte-Cécile-d'Andorge, France Dragged off from outside his house and consumed. Only his lower intestine and parts of his clothing were recovered. Jean Castanet 9 ♂ August 11, 1817 Predatory Lamelouze, France "Devoured". Anne Vaudry 6 ♀ August 11, 1817 Predatory Rahon, France Killed and eaten by a wolf described as being the size of a calf. 8 ♂ July 29, 1817 Predatory Montpont-en-Bresse, France Killed and eaten by a wolf, despite vigorous defence from victim's father. The female wolf involved was identified as belonging to a non-local race, probably from the alps. The fact that it was about to whelp could have been an explanation for its behaviour. Alexis-Félix Chat 10 ♂ September 11, 1816 Predatory Gravières, France "Devoured" by multiple wolves. Jean-Louis Barre 7 ♂ October 10, 1816 Predatory Chamborigaud, France Étienne Notet 13 ♂ October 17, 1816 Predatory Surgy, France Ambushed and killed by a wolf whilst tending his flock with his older brother at 4:00 AM. Pierre Noireau 19 ♂ September 21, 1816 Predatory Asnières-sous-Bois, France Attacked and strangled by a wolf lying in ambush in a haystack at 2:00 AM. The wolf dragged him for 10-12 yards before the attack was interrupted. The victim subsequently died of his wounds in Dornecy. Child May 10, 1816 Predatory Brèves, France Third victim of a man-eating wolf, which claimed its victims between the Nièvre and the Yonne. A three-year old female wolf was subsequently killed on July 16, and was found to have human hair in its digestive tract. 9/10 ♀/♀ May 10, 1816 Predatory Brèves, France Two girls killed by a female wolf (see above). 10/10 ♂/♂ October 22, 1815 Predatory Fontenay-sous-Fouronnes, France Two boys killed by a wolf. Françoise Courtet 10 ♀ October 11, 1815 Predatory Festigny, France Killed in the presence of an eight-year old girl, with whom she was picking acorns. The girl stated that the victim was killed by a greyish-white animal, with big ears and a large tail. Rose Rainard 6 ♀ August 8, 1815 Predatory Courry, France Dragged off by a wolf. Only her head, entrails, and three ribs were recovered. Cécile Trial 12 ♀ June 20, 1815 Predatory Les Vans, France Throat torn out. Rose Coste 7 ♀ May 9, 1815 Predatory Malbosc, France Killed and eaten by a wolf at 6:00 AM, in front of her house. December 6, 1814 Predatory Chaingy, France Two victims of the beast of Orléans, which injured eight others. Marie-Anne Cribier 14 ♀ December 5, 1814 Predatory Huisseau-sur-Mauves, France Marie Domergue 30 ♀ November 20, 1814 Predatory Saint-André-Capcèze, France Attacked and killed by a wolf, which consumed her breasts and entrails. Anne Robert veuve Comte 38 ♀ October 14, 1814 Predatory Aujac, France "Devoured by a wolf". Frédéric Comte 4 ♂ October 28, 1814 Predatory Les Vans, France Child September 3, 1814 Predatory Blannay, France Attacked by a wolf, and died shortly after. Child September 3, 1814 Predatory Sermizelles, France Child September 1, 1814 Predatory Malbosc, France Child September 1, 1814 Predatory Aujac, France Rose Figeire 4 ♀ September 1, 1814 Predatory Ponteils-et-Brésis, France Dragged off by a wolf in front of her house. Only her head and some bones were recovered. François 6 ♂ August 28, 1814 Predatory Malons-et-Elze, France "Devoured by a wolf". Adult ♀ July 14, 1814 Predatory Saint-Cyr-les-Colons, France Killed and eaten by a "furious" wolf. 8 ♀ June 31, 1814 Predatory Saint-Moré, France Killed and eaten by a wolf, which had injured two other children on the same day. 8 ♀ May 26, 1814 Predatory Voutenay-sur-Cure, France Dragged off and consumed by a wolf. The same animal had knocked over and bitten a 16-year old girl on the same day. Rose Henriette Dumas 7 ♀ October 22, 1813 Predatory Saint-André-de-Cruzières, France Killed and partially eaten in a wood. Joseph Gadilhe 14 ♂ September 8, 1813 Predatory Banne, France Killed and eaten by a "wolf-like" animal. Marie Rose André 7 ♀ August 22, 1813 Predatory Concoules, France Killed and partially eaten. Her body was discovered with the head and an arm missing. Child ♀ June 29, 1813 Predatory Morey, France Adult ♀ June 29, 1813 Predatory Percey-le-Grand, France Eaten by wolves. Only her feet were discovered. Charbonnet 12 ♀ June 28, 1813 Predatory Cult, Haute-Saône, France Killed and eaten by a wolf whilst guarding her flock with her mother. Cardot 10 ♀ June 25, 1813 Predatory Chancey, France Killed and eaten whilst gathering herbs near her village between 7:00-8:00 AM. Jean-Baptiste Nicolas 7 ♂ May 30, 1813 Predatory Sénéchas, France Died from multiple wolf bites. Catherine Figeire 11 ♀ February 6, 1813 Predatory Ponteils, France "Devoured". Marie-Rose Hours 9 ♀ January 22, 1812 Predatory Malbosc, France Died from multiple wolf bites. Augustin Coulomb 8 ♂ January 8, 1813 Predatory Sainte-Marguerite-Lafigère, France Eaten by a wolf. Only the victim's head was recovered. Joseph Pialet 3 ♂ December 30, 1812 Predatory Malbosc, France Dragged off by a wolf in front of his father's house, and was recovered with his throat torn out. Marie Dairès 9 ♀ November 21, 1812 Predatory Malons-et-Elze, France Killed by three wolves whilst protecting her flock. Pierre-Victor Albaric 4 ♂ November 19, 1812 Predatory Vialas, France Killed and eaten by a wolf, leaving only the victim's head and a few bones. Joseph Auziol 13 ♂ October 29, 1812 Predatory Malbosc, France Killed and eaten by a wolf near his house. Marie Chat 3 ♀ October 28, 1812 Predatory Gravières, France Killed and eaten by a wolf near Albourniès, close to her home. Jean Placide Hours 6 ♂ October 26, 1812 Predatory Malbosc, France "Devoured." Cyprien Marcias 10 ♂ October 21, 1812 Predatory Concoules, France Killed by an "enormous" wolf. François Marcy 7 ♂ September 8, 1812 Predatory Les Vans, France Killed and eaten near his home. His head, arms, legs and buttocks were found buried in a pit. Child August 14, 1812 Predatory Near Mailley, France Throat torn out by wolves whilst walking home. 13 ♂ January, 1812 Predatory Crozon, France Louis Herpeux 14 ♂ October 11, 1811 Predatory Québriac, France Dragged into a forest by a large wolf. Isaac 5 ♂ September 22, 1811 Predatory Concoules, France Killed by a wolf, which left only the victim's head, heart and liver. Jaques-François Claudinot 10 ♂ September 15, 1811 Predatory Aujac, France Pierre André 5 ♂ August 25, 1811 Predatory Concoules, France Killed by a wolf, which left only the victim's head, heart and liver. Child July 3, 1811 Predatory Vezet, France Child July 3, 1811 Predatory Arbecey, France Three people Children April 14, 1811 Predatory Near Ponteils, France Jean-Baptiste Blanc 6 ♂ March 24, 1811 Predatory Saint-André-Capèze, France Killed by wolves whilst defending his flock. 9 ♀ February 15, 1811 Predatory Clairefontaine, France Attacked by a wolf near the outskirts of a wood. The wolf severely mutilated her, and she survived after only half an hour of being rescued by her parents. Victoire Polge 7 ♂ October 6, 1809 Predatory Génolhac, France Only the victims rags, some bones and head were recovered. Jean Almeras 5 ♂ October 2, 1809 Predatory Ponteils, France Killed and eaten by a wolf whilst guarding his flock. Only some bones remained. Adélaïde Simon 9 ♀ June 10, 1809 Predatory Sénoncourt, France Killed by a wolf whilst guarding her flock. 10 ♂ June 3, 1809 Predatory Amance, France Killed and partially eaten by a wolf whilst tending livestock with two friends. Antoine Fleurot 19 ♂ March 28, 1809 Predatory Saint-Léger-Vauban, France Killed and partially eaten. Child ♀ 1807 Predatory Cugnet, France Killed and partially eaten. Two children ?/11 July, 1807 Predatory Near Beauvais, France 4 ♂ June 24, 1807 Predatory Yssingeaux, France Taken in front of his mother, dragged 50 feet away and eaten. Vitaux 8 ♂ June 13, 1807 Predatory Sacy, France Almost completely eaten by starving wolves. Child June, 1807 Predatory Near Beauvais, France The victim was killed by a wolf, which seriously injured another child. 4 ♀ July, 1806 Predatory Saint-Géry, France Partially eaten in front of her parents' house. Berthe 12 ♀ July 1, 1801 Predatory La Chapelle-Saint-André, France Eaten by a wolf that injured several other children. Midrouillet 14 ♂ June 30, 1801 Predatory Colméry, France Gayeux 14 ♀ June 17, 1801 Predatory La Chapelle-Saint-André, France Eaten by a wolf whilst tending his flock. Coignet 12 ♀ June 15, 1801 Predatory Menou, France Eaten by a wolf whilst tending her flock. Jean Aimard 10 ♂ June 13, 1801 Predatory Oudan, France Eaten by a wolf whilst tending his flock. Jean Paisan 5 ♂ June 12, 1801 Predatory Varzy, France Eaten by a wolf whilst tending his flock. Madeleine Champy 10 ♀ May 25, 1801 Predatory Varzy, France Killed and eaten by a wolf termed "greyhound" or "morning wolf". c. 6-8 ♀ December 28, 1800 Predatory Sørum, Akershus, Norway 1700s Victim(s) Age Gender Date Type of attack Location Details Source(s) Julien Child ♀ July 7, 1799 Predatory Veyreau, France Graille Child ♂ July 7, 1799 Predatory Veyreau, France Pierre-Jean Mauri 6 ♂ June 23, 1799 Predatory Veyreau, France François Nante 10 ♂ November 4, 1797 Predatory La Tranclière, France Eaten by wolves. 5 August 18, 1797 Predatory Viliers-sur-Loir, France Eaten by wolves, which infested the outskirts of Montoire. The attack prompted a large-scale hunt for the animals. Jean Delpuech 7 ♂ September 10, 1796 Predatory Pleaux, France Throat torn out by a wolf near the "Dix-Maisons" section at 10:00 AM. 8-10 people Children May 4, 1796 Predatory Donzy, France Marie Angélique 4 ♀ May 17, 1795 Predatory Morteau, France Victim's hair was found in a wolf's stomach. Maupin 9 ♂ November 11, 1793 Predatory Perrancey, France Throat torn out and eaten by an animal, confirmed to be a wolf by eyewitnesses. Aubin Charles 12 ♂ October 7, 1793 Sacquenay, France Died from blood-loss from a wolf bite. Nicolas Roth 6 ♂ September 1, 1793 Predatory Selongey, France Eaten near the Saint-Anne chapel. Anne Claude Berthiaux Child ♀ June 20, 1793 Predatory Thervay, France Killed by a wolf on the way to Bussière. Maria Antonia Rimoldi Child ♀ August 22, 1792 Predatory Mazzo, Northern Italy. Attacked while sitting under the shade of a walnut tree. The attack was seen by numerous witnesses, who drove the wolf off. Rimoldi died the following day from her injuries. The wolf responsible was likely the same one in the nine cases described below. It was ultimately caught in a pit on September 18, and killed outside Porta Vercellina in Milan. Giuseppa Re 13 ♀ August 21, 1792 Predatory Bareggio, Northern Italy. Attacked while gathering wood in the Chiappa Grande wood. Her partially eaten body was later found 600 yards from the attack site. Anna Maria Borghi 13 ♀ August 16, 1792 Predatory Groana di Barlassina, Northern Italy. Attacked along with a friend while tending her flock. The wolf fatally grabbed her by the throat, but was driven off by a nearby peasant. Regina Mosca 12 ♀ August 11, 1792 Predatory San Siro, Northern Italy. Killed while picking herbs with other children. The wolf was driven off by people alerted to the children's screams. The same wolf later attacked a young boy in Boldinasco, but was driven off by an adult. Giovanna Sada 10 ♀ August 4, 1792 Predatory Arluno, Northern Italy. Attacked while tending her flock with other children. The wolf grabbed her by the chest, dragged her a short distance then ate her throat. Domenico Cattaneo 13 ♂ August 3, 1792 Predatory Assiano, Northern Italy. Dragged off by a wolf while tending his flock with other children. His remains were found days later in Cazzarate wood. Antonia Maria Beretta 8 ♀ August 1, 1792 Predatory Senago, Northern Italy. Attacked while tending her flock. Despite being rescued, she died shortly after from deep wounds to the throat. Giuseppa Saracchi 6 ♀ July 10, 1792 Predatory Boundary between Cascina Piobba and Corbetta, Northern Italy. Attacked while walking with her sister. Her body was discovered half a mile away from the attack site. Carlo Oca 8 ♂ July 8, 1792 Predatory Limbiate, Northern Italy. Grabbed by the throat by a wolf while tending his flock with other children. He was dragged into a nearby wood, and was discovered later partially eaten. Giuseppe Antonio Gaudenzio 10 ♂ July 4, 1792 Predatory Cusago, Northern Italy. The victim, a cowherd, returned home without the cow he had been instructed to guard. His father sent him back to retrieve it, and he did not return home. His remains and bloodied clothes were discovered a few days later. Anne Court 25 ♀ June 19, 1788 Predatory Les Adrets-de-l'Estérel, France François 8 ♂ June 26, 1788 Predatory Plan de la Tour, France Killed and eaten during the night near the bastide of Guigonet. Dominique Pierruguès 11 ♂ June 6, 1788 Predatory Callas, France 14 ♂ April 1, 1788 Predatory Brie, France Pulled down and eaten my a "monstrous" wolf. 10 1788 Predatory Castelnau-de-Brassac, France Attacked in full daylight by wolves, and died subsequently from sustained injuries. Child ♂ August 29, 1787 Rabid Saint-Marcel, France Torn apart by a rabid wolf. Adult ♂ September 25, 1786 Predatory Rabouillet, France Attacked near his cabin by five large wolves. Two men Adult ♂/♂ 1785 Predatory Mirebeau, France Killed by wolves previously unknown to the area. Geneviève Gauthier 62 ♀ August 29, 1785 Predatory Baule, France Throat torn out by a wolf which had been terrorising the area for 5-6 months. Louise Angélique Sainson 18 ♀ June 22, 1785 Predatory Meung-sur-Loire, France Madaleine Fournier 40 ♀ March 11, 1784 Predatory Houssay, France Attacked on February 28 by a starving female wolf, which partially ate her head. Jeanne Crosnier 60 ♀ February 28, 1784 Predatory Houssay, France 37 ♀ June 11, 1784 Predatory Vouzy, France Strangled and eaten. 10 ♂ April 15, 1783 Predatory Montsauche, France Dragged off by a wolf into a nearby forest whilst guarding his flock with two other boys. His body was found with tooth marks on the throat. Benoîte Branchu 13 ♀ October 13, 1777 Predatory Cormaranche-en-Bugey, France Philibert Martinaud 3 ♂ October 9, 1777 Predatory Ruffieu, France 3 September 16, 1777 Predatory Dramely, France Dragged off by a wolf, despite the efforts of the victim's parents to intervene. The body was discovered 200 feet away from the village, with the head, thorax and arms missing. Françoise Combet 4 ♀ August 6, 1777 Predatory Hautville-Lompnes, France Jean-Baptiste Flamier 7 ♂ July 23, 1777 Predatory Arinthod, France Seized by a wolf and dragged into a wheat field. His body was found with the belly and chest torn open, with cuts to the head. Benoît Janin-Tivolet 9 ♂ June 13, 1777 Predatory Hauteville-Lompnes, France Fatally bitten on the throat. Marie-Claudine Marillier 4 ♀ April 2, 1777 Predatory Charchilla, France Marchon Child February, 1776 Predatory Valfin-sur-Valouse, France Partially eaten by a wolf. Claude Joseph Comte 5 ♂ November 11, 1776 Predatory Vescles, France Joseph Charpillon 7 ♂ September 4, 1776 Predatory Vescles, France Claude-Marie Perrot 8 ♀ August 22, 1776 Predatory Légna, France Jeanne-Louise Robert 7 ♀ June 17, 1776 Predatory Le Balme-de-Siligny, France Died from multiple wolf bites 13 ♂ May 11, 1776 Predatory Onoz, France Killed and eaten by wolves. 17 people Children 1773 Predatory Arinthod, France Isabelle Le Deuff 9 ♀ August 13, 1773 Predatory Melgven, France Killed and eaten by an animal thought to have been a starving female wolf. 8 ♀ August, 1773 Predatory Rosporden, France Carried off by a wolf. Her bones were discovered alongside the skull of an older person. Jean-Baptiste Leroy 7 ♂ May 20, 1772 Predatory Saint-Ay, France The victim's remains were found by the Loire. Tracks indicated wolf involvement. Nicolas Guillaumé 4 ♂ December 4, 1772 Predatory Paucourt, France Adult ♂ October, 1771 Predatory Near Forges-les-Eaux, France Torn apart by wolves, which left his head and leg. Child ♂ September 23, 1770 Predatory Charleval, France Child ♂ September 22, 1770 Predatory Auzouville-sur-Ry, France Saved from a wolf by other children, but died from his injuries. 11 ♀ September 21, 1770 Predatory Saint-Aignan-sur-Ry, France Throttled to death by a wolf nicknamed "hare wolf". Mulot 8 ♂ September 13, 1770 Predatory Charleval, France Killed by a white female wolf with pups. The attack spurred several rumors, including that the animal was a werewolf, a Jesuit or a witch. Passeleur 6 ♀ September 8, 1770 Predatory Saint-Denis-le-Thiboult, France 7 ♂ September 8, 1770 Predatory Ry, France Dragged off by a wolf nicknamed "hare wolf". The victim's father followed the animal's tracks, and found his son's body with the throat, chest, stomach and ribs eaten. 14 people November 21, 1765 Rabid Orio Litta, Northern Italy. The perpetrator was a female wolf from the woods of Adda. It bit 16 people, as well as several dogs and horses, before being suffocated to death by a man and his nephew. It's body was dissected by a medic in Milan, who confirmed that it had been rabid. Nils Nilsson 8 ♂ January, 1763 Predatory Västergötland, Sweden Antonio Selva 65 ♂ August 15, 1747 Rabid Mottalciata, Northern Italy Bitten on the head by a rabid wolf. Margherita Cracco 12 ♀ August 26, 1738 Predatory Salussola, Northern Italy. Maria Lozia 14 ♀ June 29, 1738 Predatory Salussola, Northern Italy. Maria Azeglio 12 ♀ October 10, 1737 Predatory Salussola, Northern Italy. Angela Maria Badone 12 ♀ September 4, 1737 Predatory Massazza, Northern Italy. Killed while grazing her flock. Her head and a few bones were found a day later. Caterina Messerano 11 ♀ July 5, 1737 Predatory Benna, Northern Italy. Killed while grazing her flock near a wood. Angelica Maria Francesca Baijs 8 ♀ October 13, 1736 Predatory Massazza, Northern Italy. The victim was picking legumes with other children near her house, when a wolf carried her off into a nearby wood. A man and his son managed to force the wolf to abandon the victim, though she had by then succumbed to deep wounds on her throat. Anna Caterina Barbero 12 ♀ July 11, 1732 Predatory Salussola, Northern Italy. Domenica Pozzo 13 ♀ Holy Saturday, 1732 Predatory Zimone, Northern Italy. Maria Borri Piombin 14 ♀ April 27, 1732 Predatory Benna, Northern Italy. Anna Maria Ferrero 6 ♀ April 14, 1732 Predatory Roppolo, Northern Italy. Margherita Noé 6 ♀ March 30, 1732 Predatory Salussola, Northern Italy. Torn apart by multiple wolves. Domenica Maria Rodda 4 ♀ March 27, 1732 Predatory Cavaglià, Northern Italy. Died from bite wounds to the face and belly. Borta Johansdotter 12 ♀ August 3, 1731 Predatory Dalsland, Sweden Margherita Garrone 8 ♀ 1730 Predatory Cavaglià, Northern Italy. Killed and partially eaten near her home. Bartolomeo Perazzone di Zimone 9 ♂ September 18, 1729 Predatory Cavaglià, Northern Italy. Killed whilst tending his flock. His head and arm were all that remained. Caterina Cabrio 2 ♀ July 10, 1729 Predatory Cavaglià, Northern Italy. Partially eaten. Giuseppe Cabrio 10 ♂ July 7, 1729 Predatory Cavaglià, Northern Italy. Giovanni Battista Giaretti 12 ♂ June 25, 1729 Predatory Cavaglià, Northern Italy. Killed whilst tending his flock. Jon Ersson 9 ♂ January 6, 1728 Predatory Värmland County, Sweden Likely the same wolf as below. Jon Svensson 4.5 ♂ December 17, 1727 Predatory Värmland County, Sweden Two shepherds Adults April 29, 1711 Rabid Ronca, Northern Italy. Died from rabies after fighting and killing a wolf attacking their flock. The wolf itself came from the woods of Oglio al Tinazzo, and bit over 100 head of livestock throughout the fields of San Lino del Belvedere and San Giovanni a Longe. Annunciata Maria Almasio 7 ♀ September 9, 1705 Predatory Rebaù, Gorla Maggiore, Northern Italy. Body found partially eaten. Maria Campascina 65 ♀ August 28, 1705 Predatory Rebaù, Gorla Maggiore, Northern Italy. Killed while working in a field. Anna Maria 9 ♀ March, 1705 Predatory Gorla Maggiore, Northern Italy. Killed and eaten near her house. 16 people 1704 Predatory Varesotto, Northern Italy.

I'm sticking to my prior suggestion, which was that we forgo a list altogether and simply have a section dedicated to notable man-eaters, like on the leopard attack article. Mariomassone (talk) 17:04, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

List of Fatal Wolf Attacks

What can be done with the above list? Apart from the above list, we have 3,272 French attacks from 1580–1830. If we dealt with each one in the same amount of detail as, for example, List of fatal dog attacks in the United States, Fatal bear attacks in North America, or Coyote attacks on humans, it would make any List of all fatal wolf attacks known to Wikipedia very long indeed. I have not read the source personally - I don't even read French - but it's over 600 pages in hardcover. So potentially we could have the 3,272 items to fill in the dates, names, places, times of day, and so on as we do on those other articles. This is a daunting task, so rather than do that we just summarized the whole thing. However, in doing so Wikipedia lost a lot of information that researchers could use to do some good.

So here we are. Can we maintain a List of Fatal Wolf Attacks given 3,000 French wolf attacks in just this one book. Readers and others might benefit, perhaps greatly, by studying these detailed lists of such events. The experts have asked us to maintain certain facts so they can study them and more easily notice patterns and such so they can understand the phenomenon. So we should decide what to do because our job is to collect the facts they are asking for and presenting them in the way they want us to. Chrisrus (talk) 07:12, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

When there is news of a notable Coyote attack, we have a list to collect the basic facts about each event. We keep and improve similar lists for bears, dingoes, dogs, coyotes, cougars, leopards, and so on and so forth. But with the list above list removed, we no longer have a place to collect the basic facts about individual wolf attacks anymore. All we can do is add number one to a total now.

This isn't good because readers use these lists to do research, maybe even important research. An expert may notice something important, maybe a pattern or insight or question. It's possible that harm is avoided by maintaining these animal attack lists. So this list above should be restored to Wikipedia somehow. We could create a separate article or break it up into several articles, or with an proper appropriate range and scope, or some other solution to the 3,272 French attacks. Please I request comment.

How best to restore the list above to Wikipedia, given the problems described above? Chrisrus (talk) 05:47, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Giving a summary of the information is just what WP:RAWDATA point #3 encourages, because Wikipedia is supposed to be like an encyclopedia, giving an introduction and overview of a topic rather than all available data about it. The article tells readers about the Moriceau book; those who wish to see its entire contents can consult the book itself. There's a sister site, Wikisource, where works in the public domain may be uploaded in their entirety. However, the book was published in 2008 so it may be copyrighted. The existence of the book could support the notability of a stand-alone list article. I see that someone has tagged the "Six hundred years of wolf attacks worldwide; 1400 to 2013" section. Creating one or more stand-alone lists from that material may be desirable. WP:STANDALONE is a guideline about making such lists. —rybec 21:24, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for responding! :-)

You are absolutely right. That's why we will not be adding the 3,272 French attacks to the list.

Now: What do we do with the list?

Why don't we create a separate article, "List Wolf Attacks" or some such, and put this list there along with an intro noting there were also these 3,272 French attacks from 1580–1830 which are not included. Chrisrus (talk) 03:43, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

"Because attacks are unusual and sometimes poorly documented, wolves' danger to humans is debated."

This statement in the lead, Because attacks are unusual and sometimes poorly documented, wolves' danger to humans is debated." is false. I'd remove it, as it not cited, but it's not in the body, it's in the lead. The lead is supposed to include a fair summary of each section, and the statement "Because attacks are unusual and sometimes poorly documented, wolves' danger to humans is debated." is a fair summary of the "Quality of Data and Debate" section added from an IP address in East Lansing by some guy who doesn't think wolf attacks are real after the overhaul by Mario. It contradicts most of the rest of the article and is not true. There is no debate among experts that wolves can be deadly dangerous to humans. So I'll remove it when I along with the Quality of Data and Debate section, which I've already explained above, scroll up. Chrisrus (talk) 07:18, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Go ahead and do so. In fact, I'd replace the North American and Russian section with my earlier revisions, as shown in the link I provided earlier.Mariomassone (talk) 09:04, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

It should be obvious that it is wildly unfair to suggest that I "don't think wolf attacks are real." I've done some carefully sourced work on this article.

I've objected to some very sloppy sources, some of which are now removed by others.

Unlike Chrisrus, I don't believe that "scientists supress information." Rather, I understand that science aims at verifiable truth. I do believe, however, there is a degree of POV operating among several editors who tend to control content of this article & who have demonstrated a weak grasp of good sourcing.

End result is, unfortunately, that informed and educated readers will view credibility of article as very low. A wasted effort for everyone. Too bad about domination by these few editors.

76.250.61.95 (talk) 01:38, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Lists of attacks

Huge lists do not belong to already huge articles. They are in separate pages, shown in "see also" section:

• List of wolf attacks
• List of non fatal wolf attacks in North America

By the way, the 75% empty table IMO is not a good idea, but I don't have a better opinion. Staszek Lem (talk) 00:31, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Please pursue your huge proposed change by discussing and trying to gain a consensus instead of trying to edit war it in. Anything that you do without that and by edit warring will remain illegitimate. North8000 (talk) 02:29, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, there is no such rule in wikipedia. Anyone can edit without asking anyone's permission. Anyway, here is a discussion. Now, where are your objections? Staszek Lem (talk) 17:23, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Your post did not address my post and so we're in the same spot. Discussing working to war in a huge contested change is totally unrelated to the non-existent "need permission to edit Wikipedia." North8000 (talk) 18:06, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

I actually think this isn't such a bad idea. The list here could be moved and replaced with a "notable man-eaters" section like on the leopard attack article. Furthermore, the "wolf attacks in America" could also include the two fatalities on record.Mariomassone (talk) 15:43, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

My angle is more for proper process. Got to "R" in a WP:BRD in a huge change, and then instead of discussing, moved to warring it in. North8000 (talk) 18:00, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Yes. As they are of special interest and the list itself isn't that long, List of wolf attacks in North America could be removed from this article and created. It could merge all attacks, fatal or otherwise. Pretty much any wolf attack that occurs in North America is interesting to researchers simply because it happened there. That way, this article could just maintain the summary and all detailed lists could just be just linked to here in an appropriate way. Chrisrus (talk) 18:16, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

I'm neutral on the idea. Again, my concern was/is process. North8000 (talk) 21:59, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Marioo and Chris have long record here of POV editing.

North8000 raises good points. Previously I have tried some careful and informed NPOV edits, but they have been killed by Chris & Mario.

Bringing credibility and balance to this article is a lost game. 76.250.61.95 (talk) 00:04, 29 January 2014 (UTC) reformatted by Hoary (talk) 10:23, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Article dominated by Sarah Palin-type POV

Is a truly hopeless situation. 76.250.61.95 (talk) 23:56, 1 February 2014 (UTC) reformatted by Hoary (talk) 10:25, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

That's it, your antagonistic, uncivil and just thoroughly disruptive behaviour here has been tolerated for long enough; I'm getting an admin involved. Snow (talk) 13:17, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Hello. I'm an admin (not that I need to be). In 2008, Sarah Palin "[had] an environmental policy so toxic it would make the incumbent, George Bush, blush". Similarly uncomplimentary comments about various aspects of Palin are commonplace. Aligning your opponents with Palin is, arguably, slander by association. (And it's not a way of persuading people.) So cut it out. -- Hoary (talk) 11:35, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Formatting

Here is an explanation of how to format talk in talk pages. It's easy to understand. Following it increases your chances of being persuasive. Conspicuously and repeatedly failing to follow it adds to others' annoyance with you and makes you less persuasive. -- Hoary (talk) 11:35, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Accents in English

Excuse the apparent digression, but I'll keep it short. When I was young, I didn't speak with an accent and neither did my parents. People from elsewhere in the nation, as well of course as foreigners: they were the ones who spoke with accents.

In the same way, I have no opinion about wolf attacks on humans: on the contrary, I'm entirely neutral. So far as you disagree with me, it's you who has a bias.

The above is of course is more or less horseshit. I'll fess up: until less than 24 hours ago, I hadn't given a moment's thought to wolf attacks (if any) on humans. But I come to this with my own prejudices. I hope that my mind is flexible enough to entertain contradictory evidence. OTOH, I'll view this evidence with suspicion: just where was it published, and why should I take it seriously?

If I bring evidence to the table, then of course I expect you too to view it suspiciously. You may accept it; you may reject it. If you reject it, I may privately entertain anything from a suspicion to near-certainty that you are blinkered, that you're a moron, etc. But I'll think very hard before uttering my diagnosis. Less because of civility (or worry that I might be blocked), more because it's not going to work.

Oh yes, and I realize that I did (and do) speak with an accent. - Hoary (talk) 11:35, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Article continues to be dominated by narrow POV

I put lots of work into responsible attempt to improve this article. Lots of reasonable material has since been removed.

As it stands, any modestly intelligent and informed person can recognize this article as a kind of screed, lacking credibility. This is unfortunate, as the topic is potentially enlightening.

But of course, I won't be trespassing here. 76.250.61.95 (talk) 00:52, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Amazing! Six weeks later the same two editors are still obsessively tinkering with their POV edits. They are definitely the "owners" of this little corner of Wikipedia. I wish them well -- but woe to any who try to bring objective standards into play.

76.250.61.95 (talk) 19:41, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

I don't seen any debate here, nor highly active editing, nor any specifics with the above post. North8000 (talk) 20:08, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Random "notable cases" removed

Replaced with links to articles and the list. --Niemti (talk) 08:51, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Niemti's edits

Seeing as Niemti has not taken up the offer of resolving the current dispute over the "Notable cases" section in the talk page, I'll start it off in order to avoid a further edit war. Mariomassone (talk) 08:53, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Or maybe just look a section above. --Niemti (talk) 08:54, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

That's your argument? I don't see any attempt at discussion or justification, just a declaration. I'm contacting other active contributors to this page and see what their take is. Mariomassone (talk) 09:02, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Of course. It's a declaration of obvious. --Niemti (talk) 10:10, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Hello Niemti and thank you for your interest in improving this article. I noticed that you have added more notable cases, and some illustrations and other good edits. However, why have you removed all the annotations? Shouldn't we have a brief description of each on this page, so that readers may get just the basic facts about each without leaving this page, while still maintaining the option to hyperlink to learn more at each of the articles? It seems to me better that way. Chrisrus (talk) 14:25, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Can be added; there were only 4 and it was basically the same descriptions as in list of wolf attacks. --Niemti (talk) 20:34, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Would you be intersted in annotating the list yourself? Just a quick summary of each article is all that's needed. For those four that had had annotations, feel free to simply restore the deleted annotations, and, as always, feel free to edit. Chrisrus (talk) 21:39, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Geist, Valerius

This gentleman has been judged by a Canadian court as unqualified as an "expert witness" regarding wolf attacks. To judge from the tone of his writings on wolves, which tend to appear in hunting magazines rather than science journals, he has a very unpleasant axe to grind with the wildlife biology establishment.

Another prime source for this article, who is heavily endorsed by Geist, is pretty much a crank.

It's quite possible to approach this topic in an objective way without resorting to these characters. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 35.22.83.2 (talk) 23:13, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

This gentleman has been judged by a Canadian court as unqualified as an "expert witness" regarding wolf attacks. Interesting. Do you have a source for this? -- Hoary (talk) 23:36, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

I notice that an entire paragraph in the article Valerius Geist is devoted to this, but that it's unsourced. Incidentally, which is the other "prime source" you're talking of? -- Hoary (talk) 01:10, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Geist citations are only used twice, and both times regarding recent history, not wolf behaviour. Mariomassone (talk) 06:57, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 December 2015

Needs protecting from persistent vandalism by IP users 2602:306:BC37:4DF0:28F5:C839:7A89:40F1, 2602:306:BC37:4DF0:E532:970D:19E9:2E94, 2602:306:BC37:4DF0:14BD:8D5B:513D:7476 and 107.195.116.223, all probably the same person. The only comment given in justification for his/her edits was "I'm right; you're wrong fuckers!!! Fuck y'all" Mariomassone (talk) 08:37, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

 Not done requests for page protection must be made at WP:Requests for page protection - however, with only 2 reverts since 14 November, this is unlikely to be granted unless the vandalism increases. - Arjayay (talk) 16:17, 1 December 2015 (UTC)