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I think there should be a link to picassa and other software which do the same and are free to download.

How come the Note links don't exist? Someone took the time to make them, did they just forget to add the content? Admiralthrawn 1 07:58, 27 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Which links are you talking about? --soum (0_o) 09:20, 27 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dispute over supported formats

Hi.

Apparently, I and User:Be..anyone have a little dispute. Be..anyone has so far claimed that Windows Photo Gallery supports formats such as WebP, ([1]) DjVu, ([2]) PCX, WMF and the standardized version of HD Photo (called JPEG XR) ([3]) and that "it can organize and view any image format for which a third party WIC codec is installed" without supplying a source. Naturally, I don't agree with this, per WP:V and WP:OR.

Here is what we have discussed so far...

The fun stuff (not suited for the article) is here, five pages full of folks plagued by JXR. –Be..anyone (talk) 10:37, 16 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi.

I try to be very careful about using the word "funny" to refer to people's confusion and distress. But, that's not surprising at all; at least not as surprising as you writing that WPG supports DjVu. WPG can be made to takeover those filename extensions and their associated MIME types, but whether it really supports decoding it, is a different question. Then again, WPG's native decoders can be augmented with plug-ins, which might not be available on other people's system.

Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 19:55, 16 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate your attempt to improve the article; however, we cannot accept synthesis of published material that advances a position. You provided source that WPG supports HD Photo (.wdp), and a source that says Windows 7 later received an updated WIC codec supporting JPEG XR. But you use these sources to conclude that WPG supports .jxr. It could easily be false.

Best regards,

Codename Lisa (talk) 00:22, 17 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No, I have Photo Gallery on Windows 7. The last update told me what it supports. I can view *.JXR files without doing anything special also in the normal photo/image viewer, not only in Photo Gallery. That matches what the KB says, it also matches what Libjxr published on Micosoft's codeplex says, quoted in one of the first references on JPEG XR: "The JPEG XR format replaces the HD Photo/Windows Media™ Photo format in both Windows 8 and the Windows Image Component (WIC). WIC accompanies the Internet Explorer 10 redistributable packages for down-level versions of Windows." I'm still using IE9 on a plain (no IE10, Office, or other tricks) Windows 7 SP1 with the referenced 2013-02 KB. –Be..anyone (talk) 00:53, 17 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Just tested it on a virtual machine with Windows only. Answer is negative. Something else in your machine is supplying it. Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 00:56, 17 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

WPG 2012 by iself supports no image file format at all, it relies on what is available in other libraries using the Windows Imaging Component. This is sourced (reference exists and is apparently up to date). Something else in my machine cannot create five pages on Windows answers with complaints about the upgrade from HD Photo to JPEG XR. This is also sourced (platform update reference for Windows 7, photo viewer reference showing the differences between Vista and original Windows 7). If you found a constellation where this doesn't work just add it with a reference. Stop the WP:SYNTH reverts. –Be..anyone (talk) 14:38, 18 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Looks, according to WP:OR, I am not allowed to care what you see or not see in your machine or write in my talk page; if you write a sentence in the article, you must supply a source that can verify that exact sentence. If you want to put JXR in the article, you must produce a reliable source that says "Windows Photo Gallery support .jxr files". I have no source, no reason and no faith in believing that .wdp, .hdp and .jxr have anything in common. For all I care, anything could have happened to them during their evolution and standardization phase.

Best regards,

Codename Lisa (talk) 16:35, 18 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

How must this dispute be resolved?

Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 17:03, 18 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Responding per the request at 3O - the listing of supported formats should be limited to those which a reliable source explicitly lists. Our own observations are not reliable for the purposes of inclusion in Wikipedia. Even if an update has added additional format support, we are constrained to what the sources say. I reviewed the information regarding the platform update, and I don't see anything explicitly stating that format support was added to WPG, but I may have overlooked something; feel free to provide a direct quotation from the cited source. Cheers. DonIago (talk) 13:18, 20 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Also see Windows Photo Viewer, it would be bizarre if two articles about the same technology arrive at different summaries, one of them contradicting HD Photo/JPEG XR. –Be..anyone (talk) 15:22, 20 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

WP:OTHERSTUFF would apply here...it's entirely possible that those other articles have reported this incorrectly. That said, if they have reliable sources substantiating their statements then it may be possible to apply the same sources here. DonIago (talk) 15:25, 20 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The WPV article claims that JPEG XR was previously a different format, but that claim is not sourced within the article; I've tagged it for such. DonIago (talk) 15:27, 20 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The edit history of HD Photo offers 2009-08-20T22:31:27‎ BenRG (talk | contribs)‎ . . (21 bytes) (+21)‎ . . (moved HD Photo to JPEG XR over redirect: It's now a standard; I think this is uncontroversial) for your citation request. –Be..anyone (talk) 15:47, 20 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

If JPEG XR is an updated version of HD Photo, which seems to be the implication, then we should have a source that explicitly states the former is supported. The only cite I've seen refers to the latter. Otherwise at best we're engaging in synthesis and at worst inserting a blatant inaccuracy. DonIago (talk) 16:09, 20 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

In theory HD Photo can be split from JPEG XR, and explain the differences. Rather tricky, in the Open XML Paper Specification case, where .xps turns out to be slightly incompatible with .oxps (both redirecting to the same article at the moment), I was so annoyed that I replaced is/are/... by was/were/... everywhere. This XPS oddity is in essence the same HD Photo/JPEG XR issue we're discussing here. In the not notable PGF article I just mentioned that the PGF WIC codec apparently isn't registered for others including Photo Gallery/Viewer. –Be..anyone (talk) 16:31, 20 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Reading the intro again, actually I never claimed that PCX and WMF are supported, I only replaced EMF (a redirect to WMF) by the more important PCX, in the statement about unsupported legacy formats. –Be..anyone (talk) 15:38, 20 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Photo straightening

A feature I really like in this piece of software is that you can auto-traighten photographs with a single click. I am not sure if "straightening" is the correct term to describe this though. It isn't perspective correction since it doesn't correct for lens distortion but only tilts the picture a couple of degrees. Somebody might argue that the article already states that you can rotate the picture with this software. Most simple photo software though allows for rotation in multiples of 90 degrees or a manually input percentage. 1Veertje (talk) 16:21, 18 November 2016 (UTC) 1Veertje (talk) 16:21, 18 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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