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Minimum device requirements

The article states: "Accelerometer, proximity and ambient light sensors, as well as vibration motor (magnetometer and gyroscope are optional)" But the Lumia 630 has no proximity and no ambient light sensor. So I think these sensors are also optional. Petzep (talk) 15:19, 5 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

New article for Windows Phone 8.1

Hey everyone: I've created a new article for Windows Phone 8.1, which was released to developers by Microsoft on February 10, and whose features were fully detailed by the press today.

8.1 is an entirely new operating system, just taking a look at the features listed in the article proves that this is not just an incremental update along the lines of the general distribution releases for Windows Phone 8. Following the precedent set by the article for Windows 8.1 (which WP8.1 arguably has more feature additions than), and the multiple articles for point release versions of Windows Mobile, along with the sheer number of features added, WP 8.1 deserves its own article.

I've listed off many features and added appropriate references, but the article is still very incomplete in its current stage. EndlessCoffee54 (talk) 02:56, 12 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"Third" generation?

Did I miss something? If I'm not wrong, Windows Phone 8.1 is the forth generation of Windows Phone, after 7, 7.5 and 8... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.194.52.132 (talk) 22:59, 15 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

7.5 is considered just an update to Windows Phone 7, since it was announced in May 2011 (which was only 6 months after WP's initial release). Also, the sheer number of features that 8.1 adds to the core of the OS makes it a new generation. EndlessCoffee54 (talk) 01:19, 29 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The original post is correct. We do not judge whether the versions changed by the time period that exists between releases. Sorry for being irrelevant but this way you can say Windows 7 is not the next version of Windows after Windows Vista because the latter took 5 years to release after the previous version while the former took 3 years after its previous version. Secondly, even though Windows Phone 7.5 was announced after 6 months, it launched almost a year after the original release.

My arguments for Windows Phone 8.1 being the FOURTH release

1. Since Windows Phone came into existence in 2010, the following versions have been released.

Windows Phone 7 with versions 7.0.xxxx.yyy
Windows Phone 7.1 with versions 7.10.xxxx.yyy
Windows Phone 8 with versions 8.0.xxxxx.yyy
Windows Phone 8.1 with versions 8.10.xxxxx.yyy

It must be noted that Windows Phone 7.5 was simply a market name and does not reflect the true OS version. Refer to the download page for the SDK and the Windows Phone 7 Update History page.

2. Windows Phone 7.5 was a HUGER update to Windows Phone 7 than Windows Phone 8.1 is to Windows Phone 8. The difference is that the majority of people were drawn to the Windows Phone platform AFTER the release of Nokia Lumia handsets, owing to which they can not appreciate how great an update Windows Phone 7.5 was. It contained more than 500 new features. (Relax, I'm new so I don't know how to make inline references. I'll be posting a link at the end of Point 2) I have listed a few major ones here:

Multitasking. Before Windows Phone 7.1, long pressing back button did not do anything. You couldn't resume apps. Pressing the Start button made you lose state.
Third party apps NOW could push notifications.
Built-in browser updated to Internet Explorer 9 from IE7, which HAD NO HTML5 support.
Twitter integration
Hardware acceleration
Single track repeat option in Music+Videos player.
Unicode Emojis (did not display before the update)
Pictures app could now Auto-fix photos, and videos could be scaled to full-screen
New shutdown screen, SmartDJ features from Zune
Threaded messaging and support for chat through Messaging app
Battery Saver mode
Apps can now play music in background
TONS of SDK changes allowing developers to use Background Agents
Support for hidden Wi-Fi networks
NFC support
Camera shutter sound
Pictures tile animates
Bing services
Games hub now has a Recent section
UI changes throughout the OS

I may have missed a lot of more major updates, which definitely qualify Windows Phone 7.1 as a different OS version. Refer to the Wikipedia page itself to see the "sheer number of changes to the core of the OS".

3. Till date, Microsoft has released a new SDK for every OS they consider a newer version and not merely an update. SDK releases accompany many changes to the SDK and capabilities. This has happened for Windows Phone 7, the original release, Windows Phone 7.1, Windows Phone 8, and a new Windows Phone 8.1 SDK was revealed to select developers as the article states.

I am changing the original article (I don't think that's against the rules) to show that Windows Phone 8.1 is the fourth generation, and will refer it to this talk page. Moderators, please feel free to correct me, where I do something wrong, but in a sane way. Prayaas A. (talk) 11:17, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

for Windows 8.

for Windows 8. Mr'black82 (talk) 23:33, 6 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Windows Phone 8.1.1

Build 8.10.14176 also known as Windows Phone 8.1.1 or Update 1 includes a fix for a very important issue which caused several storage issues during the Windows Phone 8.1 update process.^[1] However, if you’re still running into the issue on a Lumia smartphone, it is recommended to reset your device using Nokia's Software Recovery Tool.

There is also good news for HTC 8X and 8S users as they are now be able to update to Windows Phone 8.1.1 Update.

Other than that, there aren't any new features on Build 8.10.14176.

References

^ Lumia Cyan Pushed Out for More Developer Preview Devices on Windows Phone 8.1 Update 1

"De facto abandonware"

I am required to discuss this per WP:BRD cycle.

The user, represented by two IP addresses, is demanding use of a weak, opinionated source asserting that this software is "de facto abandonware", which is an irregular description that is not in line with Microsoft support lifecycle policy. ViperSnake151 Talk 16:26, 19 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The site mspoweruser is not a blog and it is already used in multiple pages in Wikipedia. And it is an independent source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.97.152.206 (talk) 17:40, 19 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This weak source is the only site that refers to Windows Phone as such, and is using the term as a pejorative, thus it would be non-neutral to use the term in this manner. Plus, the field is not meant for the use of such terms. ViperSnake151 Talk 18:53, 19 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You say this is a weak source, but this source is already used in Wikipedia. Being non-neutral is hiding the fact that Windows Phone 8.1 is abandoned and keeping a non independent source from Microsoft. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.97.152.206 (talk) 20:57, 19 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No. The policy that deals with this situation is undue weight; the fact that only one source is describing it using the term "abandonware" means that it is a minority viewpoint ("fairly represent all significant viewpoints that have been published by reliable sources, in proportion to the prominence of each viewpoint in the published, reliable sources"). ViperSnake151 Talk 02:47, 20 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

And now the same IP user is outright deleting the reference to Microsoft's support policy, because it believes that the "independent" source automatically nullifies anything Microsoft says. ViperSnake151 Talk 23:26, 20 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Microsoft may sometimes tell the truth. Non-independent sources may sometimes be used in Wikipedia. But, please recognize that in this matter there is an independent source that contradicts Microsoft statement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.13.87.64 (talk) 23:33, 20 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Let's get a few things clear here. First, independence means nothing if a source is not also reliable. Second, the article in question is tagged "editorial" and therefore should be taken only as the opinion of the author. It could be used in a section about the seeming abandonment of Windows Phone 8.1 or criticism of the Windows 10 Mobile rollout, but official statements from Microsoft should come first with regards to the status of the software. WP:PRIMARY might also be worth a read (as would WP:PRIMARYNOTBAD). clpo13_(talk) 23:45, 20 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

We could use both references at the same level. Put Microsoft opinion on the matter, stating that as a non-independent source it may not be true, and the opinion from an independent source stating that Windows Phone 8.1 is abandonware. Microsoft official statement is a non-independent non-reliable source and should be keep at the same level as the independent source to have a neutral point of view. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.146.163.142 (talk) 23:56, 20 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Non-independent does not mean unreliable. A company's statement about its own products is much more preferred than a third-party expressing dissatisfaction with said company. Find some more sources saying 8.1 is abandonware because a single source doesn't cut it. ViperSnake already pointed you to WP:UNDUE, and I'd suggest giving WP:FALSEBALANCE a read, as well. Wikipedia doesn't give equal weight to every single opinion out there, unless those views are shown to be widely held or significant. One guy lamenting the status of his phone software simply isn't enough. clpo13_(talk) 23:59, 20 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

In this case Microsoft reference is unreliable as Windows Phone 8.1 is abandonware. Please, find a reliable source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.13.78.80 (talk) 00:03, 21 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No, you need a reliable source saying it's abandonware. You've presented a single opinion article to back that claim up. clpo13_(talk) 00:05, 21 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Would there be any problem on including a note about the abandoned status of Windows Phone 8.1? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.148.6.154 (talk) 21:18, 21 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You need to prove its abandoned first. Zero Serenity ^{(talk - contributions)} 22:33, 21 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

how to made nokia lumia 521 on wp 10???

Pls tell me how to made Nokia Lumia 521 on windows phone 10....pls.. Sr rabbi (talk) 09:38, 21 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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