Talk:Willis Ward

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March 14, 2008	Good article nominee	Listed

A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on January 28, 2008.

The text of the entry was: Did you know ...that Gerald Ford threatened to quit the Michigan football team when African-American player Willis Ward was kept out of a 1932 game in response to Georgia Tech's refusal to play an integrated team?

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Prose and lede. Expand the lede, and some prose quibbles, as well as some quotations needing citations.

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose): b (MoS):
Lede and prose tweaks detailed below.
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
quotations need citations, and a couple of places where opinion is expressed need citations
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
Be nice if any information about his family, if any, was included.Also I have concerns about how much detail is given about Ford's reaction to the Georgia Tech game.
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
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Lede. Expand a bit, probably should have at least two paragraphs for an article this size. Y Cbl62 (talk) 01:01, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
U of M section, Freshman track star subsection, need a citation for the last sentence of the first paragraph.Y Cbl62 (talk) 01:03, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Likewise for the last sentence of the first paragraph of the First African-American football player section.

I could not trace back to the citation for this item, so I have deleted for now. If I can track down the source, I will re-insert later. Cbl62 (talk) 06:03, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Citation for "one-man track team" in the first sentence of the first paragraph of 1933 track season. Also the "good 'un" quotation. Y Cbl62 (talk) 05:24, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
1933 track season section, consider merging the fourth paragraph, as it is only one sentence. Y Cbl62 (talk) 05:12, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
1933 football season, consider merging the first paragraph, it's only one sentence. Y Cbl62 (talk) 05:17, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Gerald Ford's role section, the middle three paragraphs all start with "In..." consider rewording some to make it less repetitive. Y Cbl62 (talk) 05:20, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
UM or U-M? You use both. Make it consisitent. Y
Gerald Ford's role section, third paragraph, need a citation on the quotation "among the best players.." Y Deleted. Cbl62 (talk) 05:50, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Same section, fourth paragraph, need a citation for the "His brother told me..." quotation. Y Cbl62 (talk) 05:26, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Impact on Ward section, second paragraph. The sentence "Ward's times were neck and neck with Owens' up until the NCAA's." lack context on what the NCAA's are. Y Cbl62 (talk) 05:22, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I think there is a bit too much information on Gerald Ford's reaction. THis is an article about Ward, not Ford, but the Ford section is longer than the section Impact on Ward. Just a bit of UNDUE weight. Y I substantially cut back on the section. Cbl62 (talk) 05:49, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Did he marry? Children? Has he retired?

I searched high and low and could not find the answers to these questions. After about 1976, references to him in newspaper articles just seem to stop. Found no obituary and nothing on his family life. Cbl62 (talk) 05:52, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What's the status on the pictures? Has any decision been reached on them? If nothing is decided, they'll need to go.

Another user (Tony the Tiger) spoke to the Bentley Library, the owner of the images, and received permission for use. As a result, the deletion of the images has been contested, and a decision is pending. See discussion at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Possibly_unfree_images#Image:WillisWard.JPG. If the ruling is to delete, they will be deleted. Cbl62 (talk) 05:58, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

All in all the usual good work. Just a few quibbles.

I've put the article on hold for seven days to allow folks to address the issues I've brought up. Feel free to contact me on my talk page, or here with any concerns, and let me know one of those places when the issues have been addressed. If I may suggest that you strike out, check mark, or otherwise mark the items I've detailed, that will make it possible for me to see what's been addressed, and you can keep track of what's been done and what still needs to be worked on. Ealdgyth | Talk 18:11, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good. Passing it now! Ealdgyth - Talk 04:55, 14 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

pov+unsourced

I pulled this off the page, since I considered it pov and unsourced.

"" Yost denied that he was ever a racist and just because a relative once fought for the Confederacy is not relevant to whether Yost was racist or not. The fact is that as Athletic Director at UM he did not prohibit Ward from joining the team and prior to that , in fact, several Blacks throughout Yost's UM career were members of the UM football team while Yost was head coach. Yost was not a racist . At Michigan he threatened a Chicago hotel owner who had refused to allow a UM Black player to stay at the hotel with the rest of the (white) Michigan team with both bad publicity and an immediate withdrawal of ALL UM players from the establishment unless the owner agreed to let the Black UM Player stay with his white teammates there. The Hotel owner backed down and relented. Especially given America's segregated times, this actually speaks very highly of the great Fielding H Yost and it is a definite event that clearly indicates that Fielding Yost was not "racist". "" Ungali (talk) 06:31, 17 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Weasel words in 1934 game section

We've got this statement: "some accounts indicate that he 'quit the team' or threatened to quit ...". This is sourced to a dead link Michigan Daily story, so I can't check the source, but it's too weasely for me. I found a few sources[1][2] that state Ford's threat as fact, and none that dispute it. Unless we can find a source that disputes this happened, I'm going to remove "some accounts indicate". Kendall-K1 (talk) 23:43, 22 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]