Talk:William and Ann (1759)

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I have obtained some information I believe relates to this ship. The article indicates that the ship was lost in the late 1820's , early 1830's.

I've found a newspaper article dated 1851 from the archives of the National Library of Australia about a ship also named "William and Ann" and which I believe is the same ship. The description of the ship given in the article closely matches that of the entry on your site. Tonnage, age and place of build and , of course, the name.

The newspaper reference is - South Australian (Adelaide, SA : 1844-1851, Tuesday 8 July 1851, page 2. The link is http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article71687290 .

IF it is the same ship, it may interest other readers/researchers as it appears that the ship had a part in other historical events in its years prior to being used as a convict transport. The Anglo-French battle of Quebec, the taking of Copenhagen and the siege of Gibralter.

My attempt at editing resulted in a warning being displayed. I'm not that savvy with computers and to avoid a mess thought this the best way of transmitting the information.--Ian Horton (talk) 01:33, 26 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

May I join in? I can add a snippet, that the only similar named ship at Battle of Copenhagen (1807) was a transport ship William. See London Gazette. Perhaps this negative information will be of some use, perhaps not!? Viking1808 (talk) 12:31, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have found out that HMS Neptune and HMS Richmond carried Wolfe during his expedition to Quebec. I have found another article, with similar text, which states that the vessel now known as William and Ann....., so a search is on to identify whether this William and Ann is the ship referenced in the newspaper articles. Regards Newm30 (talk) 03:32, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Possible Disambiguation Information

There are four references only to a ship called William and Ann in London Gazette Archive research from 01/01/1759 to 31/12/1890 . Clearly, these are different vessels and probably do not advance the search. A limited google search for HMS William and Ann gives a possibly useful National Archive reference and six further references to the Australian Third Fleet of convict transports (ask if you need these latter six)

in 1760,an armed ship
in 1777 a brig recaptured,
1795 page 370. HMS William and Ann (Gun Boat) This is a National Archive document – ADM 27/2
in 1814 a sloop of 77 tons
1875 William and Ann , merchant ship of 38.69 tons, to change name to Spinaway

(talk) 16:58, 30 January 2012 (UTC) Revised Viking1808 (talk) 23:25, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Master enquiry

My First Fleet convict ancestor, James Bryan Cullen, stated in his trial in 1785 that he had been going to board a ship called the William and Ann, which was bound for Greenland. It is possible that the ship's master at that time was Captain Frederick Harris. Wondering whether anyone has any information that would confirm this.Historian Herself (talk) 06:41, 6 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This ship's history is clouded and I am attempting to clear the fog to ascertain her true history. At this stage I am not sure if this William and Ann is the ship you are after. Do you know any further details about the ship that your ancestor was to board? Regards Newm30 (talk) 00:48, 7 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]