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A fact from William M. Ellinghaus appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 24 January 2022 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that American business executive William M. Ellinghaus helped rescue New York City from bankruptcy in the late 1970s?

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 10:41, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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... ~~that American business executive William M. Ellinghaus was part of a group that rescued New York City from a fiscal crisis in the late 1970s?~~ Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/05/business/william-m-ellinghaus-dead.html

ALT1: ... ~~that American business executive William M. Ellinghaus was part of a group that rescued New York City from a bankruptcy in the late 1970s?~~ Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/05/business/william-m-ellinghaus-dead.html

- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/60 Wall Street

Created by Ktin (talk). Self-nominated at 01:49, 7 January 2022 (UTC).[reply]

@Ktin: This is not a full review, but I wonder if there are any other hooks you could propose, which focus on Ellinghaus as an individual rather than as part of a group. I'm mainly asking because a very similar issue came up in this current DYK nom about another person who helped rescue NYC during the same time period - which ironically I also found because the reviewer of that page reviewed one of my DYK noms like you did. Epicgenius (talk) 13:34, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Thank you for a solid, reliable article about a solid, reliable chap. The article is fine, ~~but I cannot pass it for DYK so long as the above objection stands. Can you find another hook which centres on Ellinghaus himself?~~

I cannot access the New York Times sources due to the paywall, but I am very curious about his marriage in his late 80s so soon after his lifetime marriage ended. OK, a lowest-common-denominator hook, but - was she a bimbo after his money? Should your hook show very boringly that she was not, that would at least answer the question. He as an individual was boss of AT&T when it broke up - now there's a story? Or perhaps more heroically(?) he personally troubleshot the 1971 strike. Or perhaps less questionably he restored service after the fire?

~~Anyway, there are surely some hooks out there. When we can get an acceptable hook,~~ this nom should be good to go. Storye book (talk) 21:35, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Storye book and Epicgenius: -- the text that I have from NYT is He led the communications giant when it settled an antitrust suit in the 1980s, not long after he helped save New York City in the fiscal crisis of the ’70s. in the strapline and Besides helping to rescue New York City from near bankruptcy in the 1970s, Mr. Ellinghaus became the executive vice president of the New York Stock Exchange; chairman of the New York-area PBS station WNET; and chairman of the New York Chamber of Commerce and Industry. So, to Epicgenius' point -- My thinking is that this is indeed individually attributable to him. Thoughts? Ktin (talk) 01:41, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Ktin: Excellent. ~~Now, please could you rewrite one of the hooks (or both) so that it reads that he did the deed as an individual? E.g. that American business executive William M. Ellinghaus helped to rescue ... etc.?~~ Storye book (talk) 09:23, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Storye book: Thanks much. Here goes a few variations - please have a look and let me know if you need any additional edits. Thanks. Ktin (talk) 16:00, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

ALT 0.1: ... that American business executive William M. Ellinghaus helped rescue New York City from a fiscal crisis in the late 1970s? Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/05/business/william-m-ellinghaus-dead.html

ALT 0.2: ... that American business executive William M. Ellinghaus rescued New York City from a fiscal crisis in the late 1970s? Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/05/business/william-m-ellinghaus-dead.html

ALT 1.1: ... that American business executive William M. Ellinghaus helped rescue New York City from bankruptcy in the late 1970s? Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/05/business/william-m-ellinghaus-dead.html

ALT 1.2: ... that American business executive William M. Ellinghaus rescued New York City from bankruptcy in the late 1970s? Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/05/business/william-m-ellinghaus-dead.html

Thank you, Ktin. Good to go with the above four ALTs, with preference for "helped rescue" because it matches the source better. (I have removed "a" from ALT 1.1 and 1.2 in line with standard English). Storye book (talk) 16:16, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1.1 to T:DYK/P4