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Since the current Lord Hartington was known as "Bill Burlington" before his grandfather's death, could we not put him at Bill Cavendish, Marquess of Hartington and have the past Lord Hartington at William Cavendish, Marquess of Hartington (with prominent links between them, of course)? Proteus (Talk) 22:00, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was Move I guess. Duja^► 09:01, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

William John Robert Cavendish, Marquess of Hartington → William Cavendish, Marquess of Hartington — shorten name Phoe 09:14, 25 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Survey

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Support as author. Phoe 09:34, 25 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Sensible. - Kittybrewster 10:51, 25 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support, see discussion. Mackensen (talk) 11:22, 25 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

I think the disambiguation page William Cavendish, Marquess of Hartington is not really needed, we can do the same on William Cavendish (disambiguation). In the future William Cavendish, Marquess of Hartington (photographer) will become 13th Duke of Devonshire, making it necessary to move his article to William Cavendish, 13th Duke of Devonshire - and making the disambiguation superfluous anyway. I hope I have expressed myself clearly enough. :-) Phoe 09:30, 25 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

To avoid errors we can add dablinks on the respective articles additionally: in example For the heir-apparent of the 12th Duke of Devonshire see.... Phoe 09:45, 25 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Note that about two years ago Proteus (talk · contribs) suggested something similar (but a little more elegant) at Talk:William Cavendish, Marquess of Hartington. Mackensen (talk) 10:51, 25 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Elegance is not my thing - I am already glad if one understands me at all. Phoe 11:02, 25 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What I meant was that his suggestion avoided parenthetical disambiguation by locating one article at Bill Cavendish, Marquess of Hartington–apparently he was almost universally known as such. Mackensen (talk) 11:21, 25 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This then would be an additional and in my meaning usefull move. Phoe 11:28, 25 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Is there any official rule on the titles of articles of heirs of peers? Laura1822 03:18, 26 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The usual rules apply. If they've got a courtesey title we include it. It's tucked away somewhere. Mackensen (talk) 11:35, 26 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

And now...

OK people, I moved the page, but someone who's able to make something out of these numerous Bill Cavendishes should also:

Find another appropriate title for William Cavendish. That W.C. doesn't seem to be the "primary" one at first glance. Note that "what links here" for him usually wasn't meant to refer to him.
Ergo, William Cavendish (disambiguation) should be moved to William Cavendish.
Please check out what I did at William Cavendish (disambiguation)
Someone should sort out Special:Whatlinkshere/William Cavendish

If the practice is that the ancestor of the family (W.C. the courtier) gets the undisambiguated title, please forget #1 and #2. Duja^► 09:14, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's done ~~ Phoe _talk 15:08, 3 November 2006 (UTC) ~~ [reply]

Trivia section

I had removed this section (which is basically speculation about William Cavendish's father's death) a while ago but it has been re-added by the original writer of the section (Malick78). I'm not going to revert Malick78's reversion of my deletion at the moment but I thought I would see what other people think.

I deleted the section originally because I didn't see that it was relevant to the article in question. The section has been added by Malick78 to other articles about members of the Cavendish family and it may indeed be relevant to some of them. I don't however see how it is relevant to this particular article as the death of the subject's father takes place 6 years after the death of the subject himself.

Any opinions? Cjrother 22:24, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Another user reverted the above mentioned reversion of my deletion but Malick78 has added the section again. This time I have reverted it since Malick78 made the change without commenting here. Are there any other views on this? Cjrother 21:11, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Early background

Anything on his upbringing and education? Valetude (talk) 22:05, 1 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Eton and Trinity College, Cambridge. According to Doris Kearns Goodwin's The Fitzgeralds and the Kennedys, p. 545.Flyte35 (talk) 05:09, 2 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Request move (again)

Since my move to "William J. R. Cavendish" got reverted back to "William Cavendish, Marquess of Hartington", I suggest simply "Billy Cavendish". The whole "Marquess of Hartington" just makes the article title unnecessarily lengthy. He is more commonly known as simply "William" or "Billy" Cavendish, anyway. XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 17:24, 4 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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