Talk:William II of Angoulême

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Numbering issues

This Page should be titled "William IV of Angoulême" or "William Taillefer II". Taillefer is a surname. William II of Angoulême (no proper page created yet) is a different person, being the son of Alduin I. Collision-Shift (talk) 16:47, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Additional Sources, pointing to this Being William Taillefer II, not William II of Angoulême

I also found this published source, that names the William, deceased by 1028, as William II Taillefer, son of Arnaud Manzer (Arnold Mancer)

another source with correct numberings, as "Taillefer's"

another sourceshowing William Taillefer II correctly (in french)

another source (in French)

lots of french Sources

Collision-Shift (talk) 17:51, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Can you add the "counts (before-now-after)" box at the bottom, to be consistent with this whole line. I am now cautious in making changes to your pages. thanks. Can you also re-ad the additional sources I had listed on the "IV" page. thanks again.Collision-Shift (talk) 13:23, 4 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It is not "my" page (see WP:OWN), but I don't think your sources meet our standards of reliability. The real problem here is that I think sources are more likely to use the "Taillefer numbering", wherein this guy is William II, the next count named William is William III, the one after him William IV and the last one William V. (You rarely see William I used at all.) I cannot find any good sources for the use of William VI or William VII. It is true that this enumeration is not universal, and you can find this guy called William IV, but I think it is less common. And just who were the first two Williams if this guy's dad was William III? Nobodies who never ruled Angoulême? Srnec (talk) 05:59, 5 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This William's (IV, or Taillefer II) father was Arnold "Mancer", son of William II of Angouleme (William Taillefer I, the one who stuck down the norse sea-king, Storis/Storig). William III of Angouleme (950) was also known as William of Perigord (950), son of Bernard of Angouleme (945) and Perigord (918), and he in turn, the son of William I (not a Taillefer, the first William decended from Wulgrin). Collision-Shift (talk) 14:23, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]