Talk:William FitzRobert, 2nd Earl of Gloucester

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I can't check the Avisa of Gloucester marriage. [1] says Geoffrey FitzPiers married Aveline de Clare. That is consistent with Roger de Clare, 3rd Earl of Hertford. Charles Matthews (talk) 13:56, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK, it now appears that she was the second of Geoffrey's three wives[2]. Charles Matthews (talk) 14:02, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ancestry

Hello, I suggest this ancestries of him and his children by using the example of his son Robert FitzWilliam:

Ancestors of William FitzRobert, 2nd Earl of Gloucester (1116–1183)^[1]^[2]^[3]^[4]^[5]

16. Robert I of Normandy^[5]^[8]

8. William I the Conqueror of England^[3]^[5]^[7]

17. Herleva of Falaise^[8]

4. Henry I of England^[2]^[3]^[5]^[7]

18. Baldwin V of Flanders^[3]^[9]

9. Matilda of Flanders^[3]^[7]

38. Robert II of France^[10]

19. Adela of France and Flanders^[3]^[9]

2. Robert of Gloucester^[1]^[2]^[5]

10. Reginald Gay?^[2]

5. A woman from Gay family^[2]

1. William FitzRobert of Gloucester^[1]

24. Hamon Dentatus^[6]

12. Hamo Dapifer^[6]

6. Robert Fitzhamon,^[6] Lord of Gloucester and Glamorgan

3. Mabel FitzHamon of Gloucester^[1]^[6]

28. Roger de Montgomery, seigneur of Montgomery

14. Roger de Montgomery, 1st Earl of Shrewsbury

29. Josceline

7. Sybil de Montgomery

30. William I Talvas

15. Mabel de Bellême

31. Hildeburg

Ancestors of Robert FitzWilliam (1151–1166)^[1]^[2]^[3]^[4]^[5]

16. William I the Conqueror of England^[3]^[5]^[7]

8. Henry I of England^[2]^[3]^[5]^[7]

34. Baldwin V of Flanders^[3]^[9]

17. Matilda of Flanders^[3]^[7]

4. Robert of Gloucester^[1]^[2]^[5]

18. Reginald Gay?^[2]

9. A woman from Gay family^[2]

2. William FitzRobert of Gloucester^[1]

20. Hamo Dapifer^[6]

10. Robert Fitzhamon,^[6] Lord of Gloucester and Glamorgan

5. Mabel FitzHamon of Gloucester^[1]^[6]

22. Roger de Montgomery, 1st Earl of Shrewsbury

11. Sybil de Montgomery

23. Mabel de Bellême

1. Robert FitzWilliam^[1]

24. Roger de Beaumont

12. Robert de Beaumont, 1st Earl of Leicester^[11]

25. Adeline of Meulan

6. Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester^[11]

52. Henry I of France^[17]

26. Hugh I of Vermandois^[13]

13. Elizabeth of Vermandois^[11]

27. Adelaide of Vermandois^[14]

3. Hawise de Beaumont^[1]

28. Ralph de Gaël^[15]

14. Raoul II de Gaël^[12]

29. Emma de Guader, Countess of Norfolk^[16]

7. Amica de Gaël^[11]

Sources:

Bernard Burke, Ashworth P. Burke (1934). A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage and Baronetage, the Privy Council, Knightage, and Companionage. 1934
Marjorie Chibnall (1991), The Empress Matilda: Queen Consort, Queen Mother and Lady of the English, London, UK: Basil Blackwell ISBN 9780631157373
D. Crouch, "Robert of Gloucester's Mother and Sexual Politics in Norman Oxfordshire", Historical Research, 72 (1999) pp 323–332.
Hollister, C. Warren (2001). Frost, Amanda Clark (ed.). Henry I. New Haven: Yale University Press. ISBN 0300088582.
Oram, Richard; David: The King Who Made Scotland, (Gloucestershire, 2004).
Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William Ryland Beall, Kaleen E. Beall. Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700: Lineages from Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Other Historical Individuals. 2008 ISBN 0806317523, ISBN 9780806317526

References

^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f ^g ^h ⁱ ^j Complete Peerage, v. III, p. 167.
^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f ^g ^h ⁱ ^j David Crouch, Historical Research, 1999
^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f ^g ^h ⁱ ^j ^k A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage and Baronetage, the Privy Council, Knightage, and Companionage, pp 26, 32
^ ^a ^b Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, pp 62, 118, 123, 156–157
^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f ^g ^h ⁱ Oram, David, p. 10
^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f ^g Hollister Henry I pp. 363-364
^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, pp 118, 123
^ ^a ^b Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, p. 118
^ ^a ^b ^c Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, pp 156–157
^ Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, pp 62, 105, 109, 142
^ ^a ^b ^c ^d Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, pp 52, 58, 62 Cite error: The named reference "<ref9" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).
^ Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, p. 62
^ Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, pp 52, 62
^ Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, pp 51–52, 62
^ Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, p. 62
^ Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, p. 62
^ Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, p. 62

Dmitry Azikov (talk) 09:36, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The important bits of the ancestry are already in the article - who his father was. The rest of it isn't useful to understanding the life of William. Again - I point to WP:NOTGENEALOGY. We are not a genealogical work and should not present such information when biographies of the subject do not do so. And again, many of these works are not very reliable - Weis and Burke are not good sources for this information. Also - the use of the name "Robert FitzRoy" is deceptive - we don't have that as an alternate name for Robert nor should we put that Robert's maternal grandfather was certain - Robert's article makes it clear that this is not a certain parentage for Robert's mother. Ealdgyth (talk) 12:15, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[<ref-1] ^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f ^g ^h ⁱ ^j Complete Peerage, v. III, p. 167.

[Crouch-2] ^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f ^g ^h ⁱ ^j David Crouch, Historical Research, 1999

[<ref3-3] ^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f ^g ^h ⁱ ^j ^k A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage and Baronetage, the Privy Council, Knightage, and Companionage, pp 26, 32

[<ref7-4] Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, pp 62, 118, 123, 156–157

[<Oram-5] ^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f ^g ^h ⁱ Oram, David, p. 10

[<ref8-6] ^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f ^g Hollister Henry I pp. 363-364

[<ref4-7] ^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, pp 118, 123

[<ref5-8] Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, p. 118

[<ref6-9] Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, pp 156–157

[10] Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, pp 62, 105, 109, 142

[<ref9-11] Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, pp 52, 58, 62 Cite error: The named reference "<ref9" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).

[12] Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, p. 62

[<ref10-13] Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, pp 52, 62

[14] Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, pp 51–52, 62

[15] Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, p. 62

[16] Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, p. 62

[17] Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, p. 62

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