Talk:William Breeze

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93

As a member of the O.T.O I must insist on removing Occult activities paragraph in W. Breeze's article - an indentity of Frater Superior is known only to IX° of the Ordo Templi Orientis.

Fr. Progradior —Preceding unsigned comment added by White Mouse (talk • contribs)

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law, Love is the Law, Love under will!

Sorry, that information was obtained from the cited references to this article. Removing information from this article is considered vandalism. Your account may be blocked if you repeatedly remove it. Please take your cult-inspired activities elsewhere. —999 21:52, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

a) Shouldn't "Betamax" also be listed as one of his nicknames? b) Is there any reason to omit the video company he ran? c) Under "Occult Activities" shouldn't his initiation by Jack Hogg also be mentioned? That is also a matter of public record.

93/93 Frater E.L.S. (—Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.40.63.238 (talk • contribs) )

Have at it. If you have sources, simply cite them as you go along. -999 23:37, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Someone recently overhauled this article [poorly], I see at least two spelling mistakes in the first "life" section, some bad math "1979 - 1984" is fifteen years? Also what is with the unrelated painting? Should either be a picture of him (although he is a private person) or just remove the unrelated artwork.

173.92.223.131 (talk) 18:08, 21 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Edit: fixed what I could, I'll leave the rest to someone more invested. There is some more awkward language, information without citations, and spurious images. I'll leave it to OTO.

173.92.223.131 (talk) 18:20, 21 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV

For Example: "Breeze is well-known and not very well-liked in the occult community, under his pseudonym Hymenaeus Beta,"

At the very least, we need some kind of reference or citation indicating that he's "not very well liked."

Also: "he claims supreme authority over O.T.O. In addition, he also maintains that the O.H.O. is ex officio the Patriarch of Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica, the liturgical arm of O.T.O. He has also attempted to assert authority over the Argenteum Astrum, in vain."

... is rather weasley. 'tried in vain' -- 'claims supreme authority' -- absent any reference or citation of conflict (which, yes, i understand is hard to come by when dealing with secret societies) it comes across as ratehr one-sided. Zero sharp 05:14, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Friend's of Breeze

Shouldn't we link the Caliph, er I mean, Breeze with other prominant Thelemites that he hung out with, like Ebony Anpu? Captain Barrett 20:43, 11 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Some reputable third party written about this in a published biography of either? No? Then the answer is no. 217.10.142.170 07:04, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Questions & Errata

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Can we have some citations and verification on Breeze's corruption of the OTO rituals? From the OTO investigator/ archivist P R Koenig, the Caliphate OTO 9th degree is essentially of Breeze placing his hands on the aspirants shoulders, and lo and behold they are a "9th degree" in the Caliphate OTO.

Also we need some citation for Breeze getting death threats and so scared that he had to move house, due to him thinking that he was being stalked. Info please?

Sure - if you can cite this from reputable sources. As it is, it is tawdry occult hearsay. In any case, Crowley handed out O.T.O. degrees like tictacs, with as little ceremony. As Mathers did with G.D. degrees. It happens. If it can't be cited, however, it does not belong in this article. 70.177.94.136 (talk) 06:42, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Koenig

Is Koenig a reliable source? —Ashley Y 07:23, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No. --Rodneyorpheus (talk) 22:24, 24 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed him. BTW, is there a reliable source that says Breeze is leader of the OTO? —Ashley Y 04:07, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Glad you removed Koenig. I suppose the most reliable source about OTO administration would be the corporation's legal filings. --Rodneyorpheus (talk) 09:36, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What about Allen Greenfield? Is he a reliable source? —Ashley Y 08:01, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

He's certainly more reliable than Koenig, in my opinion. Allen used to be part of O.T.O. and knows the subject personally. However his POV is certainly not neutral, so that has to be taken into consideration. Koenig does have a good collection of primary source material, so he can be a useful source, however he frequently republishes partial quotes out of context and comes ot highly questionable conclusions from it, so his stuff has to be taken with a pinch of salt (and a lot of cross-referencing). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rodneyorpheus (talk • contribs) 13:27, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Peter's reliability is as good, if not better, than that of anyone involved in the O.T.O. when it comes to questions about the history of the org. and its leaders. No one involved in the 'Crowley world' can be said to be 'impartial' towards it. Peter takes great pains to get his stories right. I know because I'm a 'subject' in a few of them. Eellddo (talk) 17:04, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism by users from bookofthelaw.com

This article (like several other Thelema articles) is being repeatedly vandalised by users who for some unknown reason keep wanting to redirect people to bookofthelaw.com. In this case they are using a redirect from http://www.hymenaeusbeta.com, which purports to be something to do with William Breeze/Hymenaeus Beta, which it clearly does not. Would those users please give their reasons for doing so and stop edit warring please, so we can keep this article reasonably encyclopedic?--Rodneyorpheus (talk) 11:57, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Freemason?

I an removing the freemason category because I can't find any evidence to say this man is actually a freemason. Generally, the Freemasons and the OTO pretend to be different things. Although it is not impossible, we need a source. Claíomh Solais (talk) 19:15, 14 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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should be "IX" degree

Hi!

93 and all.

In the para about "OTO Succession" the voting members were inadvertently I assume referred to as "XI" (eleventh) degree. I hope no-one, including any ancient dyslexic romans, minds that I changed it to "IX" (ninth) degree, as I'm sure was intended.

Love is the Law, Love Under Will,

Michael Miller, Baal Shem Ra, the consort's consort.

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Why no inclusion of Breeze's court case in London, against Kenneth Grant?

One of Breeze's later actions was to take the late Kenneth Grant to court in London over the use of the name Ordo Templi Orientis. There should be mention of this on the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.205.241.176 (talk) 11:07, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Boleskine House

Mr 79.73.158.53 (talk) 01:20, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]