Talk:William Anders/GA1

GA Review

Passed. simongraham (talk) 00:48, 6 September 2022‎ (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Reviewer: Simongraham (talk · contribs) 19:07, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I, like many, have been inspired by Earthrise so I feel it would be interesting to review the article on the person who took the image. I will start shortly. simongraham (talk) 19:07, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

This is a stable and well-written article. 57.6% of authorship is by Hawkeye7. It is currently assessed as a B class article.

The text is clear and concise.
It is generally written in a summary style, consistent with the relevant Manuals of Style.
The article is of appropriate length, 3,607 words of readable prose.
The lead is of appropriate length at 392 words.
Citations seem to be thorough.
References appear to be from reputable sources.
Text seems to be neutral and shows a balanced perspective.
Consider rephrasing "the AFIT had him to study nuclear engineering instead".
Y Re-phrased, but it would help if you told me what the issue was. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:34, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That is fair. I am not sure what the right grammatical term is, but it read poorly to me and I feel your rewrite has improved it no end.06:19, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
Consider rephrasing "This was the same river they were soon forced to travel in their escape".
Y Re-phrased. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 03:45, 3 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
My grammar checking tells me that US spelling of "cancelled" is "canceled", although I do not mind either way.
Y Corrected. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:34, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"This would have put him in line to fly a Gemini 13 mission, but …, and …, and Armstrong and Anders then became the first astronauts to fly the Lunar Landing Training Vehicle. " Consider splitting this sentence as there are a lot of conjunctions.
Y Split sentence. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:34, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The quote ascribed to Borman mentions Frank Borman in the third person. Is that right?
Yes. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:34, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Consider rephrasing "a now famous color photo". I suggest " the famous color photo".
Y Re-phrased. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:34, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Consider adding a comma to "Due to time dilation, he had aged about 300 microseconds more than people back on Earth."
Y Added. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:34, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The section "Organizations" seems very short and disconnected. His involvement in the Heritage Flight Museum is mentioned in the previous section and the other memberships seems to be a list without context. Suggest integrating this.
Y Integrated. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:34, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There is no section on his Personal life. Although Roger B. Chaffee only has a subsection titled Family, Buzz Aldrin has one, as do many other biographies. Consider adding either a subsection or section. This could be an appropriate place do discuss his religion experience and conservation views, which would help the flow of the section on Apollo 8.
I dislike personal life sections, preferring to keep things in chronological order. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:34, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That sounds a good reason. simongraham (talk) 06:19, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There is a comment in the Talk page titled "Photo date strangeness" which has been resolved.
There is no evidence of edit wars.
Images are appropriate and relevant.
Images have appropriate public domain tags.
The line "Anders continues to be active with the Heritage Flight Museum his charity founded, including flying vintage aircraft owned by the foundation at various airshows and aviation exhibitions." seems at odds with the caption "Greg Anders sprays his father with the fire hose after completing his last flight in 2008". Did he have his last flight in 2008?
Yes. In fact I added an image of his retirement ceremony. Deleted this line. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:34, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Hawkeye7: Thank you for your considered responses. This looks good. simongraham (talk) 06:19, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Review

Earwig's Copyvio Detector identifies three other pages with significant overlap, the article in Airport Journals, Ander's biography on the NASA website and a page about Anders speaking at The Museum of Flight. All these are in the reference list, but the text does seem very close on a cursory inspection. For example, "he developed several friendships, in particular with fellow members of the tennis team. But his grades weren't good enough, so he was sent to the Boyden School, a military academy prep school near Balboa Park" is common to Freeze, 2001, and the article. This feels like plagiarism and needs resolving. There are other examples too so I suggest looking all three pages.
- Copyvio is now unlikely to all the pages (sub-40%) except the NASA page, which is covered with the template. Even that seems to be mostly proper nouns, titles, and phrases which seem to be less of a concern. simongraham (talk) 00:37, 6 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Spot checks show that the sources generally OK. However, there are some which are not. p.237 of Slayton & Cassutt, 1994, does not say that Anders was unable to assume his position with NASC until August 1969. The link for Brooks, Grimwood & Swenson, 1979, takes us to a HTML of the book which makes checking pages tricky.
Y Substituted a PDF version of the book. I used a hard copy. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 05:56, 3 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Excellent work. I feel this could be an area to look at further if you are aiming higher than GA. simongraham (talk) 00:37, 6 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There are some problems in the Borman quote. "and very serious mined" should be "and very serious minded", "all in a all a great guy" should be "all in all a great guy" and "his aversion to unecessary conversation" should be "his aversion to unnecessary conversation".
Y Corrected. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:34, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"We came all this way to explore the Moon, and the most important thing is that we discovered the Earth." is only 20 words so should not be a blockquote as per MOS:BLOCKQUOTE.
I wanted to give it prominence, and it would look odd as there are two other quotes nearbby. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:34, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds reasonable. simongraham (talk) 06:19, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The sentence "The Apollo command and service module (CSM) would be ready though, so a CSM-only mission could be flown in December 1968." feels odd as the first sentence of a paragraph (particularly the word "though"). Please rephrase.
Y Re-phrased. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:34, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
As his Earthrise photo is probably the thing that Anders is most famous for, I suggest that has its own section heading. Suggest putting his religious and conservation conversions as a separate paragraph, i.e. first paragraph is about the context and the second his response.
Some editors think that his religious beliefs are important. I'm not one of them. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 03:45, 3 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. I feel that the new subsection works well. simongraham (talk) 06:19, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Add a comma after "Falls Church, Virginia".
Y Added. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 03:45, 3 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Remove "old" in "and sold off old nearly $3 billion in assets".
Y Deleted stray word. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 03:45, 3 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Remove "in" in "He retired as in 1993".
Y deleted "as". Hawkeye7 (discuss) 03:45, 3 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. There seem to be a lot of stray words here. simongraham (talk) 06:19, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Please take a look at "The museum was run as family affair, with Anders as president, his wife Valerie as secretary, his son Greg as vice president, executive director and webmaster, and his son Alan as vice president and director of maintenance." It does not feel like encyclopaedic language, particularly the repetition of vice president.
Y Tweaked wording. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 03:45, 3 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I see no other obvious grammar or spelling issues.

@Hawkeye7: Excellent work. This is a tour-do-force. Please take a look at my comments above and ping me when you would like to take another look. simongraham (talk) 20:43, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Hawkeye7: This is going extremely well. I look forward to your thoughts on the plagiarism claims. simongraham (talk) 06:19, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Mostly proper nouns and titles [1]. I normally use the pre-expansion article as the lead; it seems that it incorporated a lot of NASA material. Added a {{NASA}} template. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 10:39, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Hawkeye7: Thank you for your "Mindless random changes" and other edits, including adding the template. That seems to be everything. I will complete the assessment now. simongraham (talk) 00:37, 6 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment

The six good article criteria:

It is reasonable well written.
the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct;

it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead, layout and word choice.
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
it contains a reference section, presented in accordance with the layout style guideline;

all inline citations are from reliable sources;

it contains no original research;

it contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism;

it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail.
It is broad in its coverage
it addresses the main aspects of the topic.

it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).
It has a neutral point of view.
it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to different points of view.
It is stable.
it does not change significantly from day to day because of any ongoing edit war or content dispute.
It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
images are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content;

images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.

It has been an honour to undertake this review, Hawkeye7]. I believe that this article meets the criteria to be a Good Article.

Pass simongraham (talk) 00:47, 6 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.