Talk:Willem Krul

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A fact from Willem Krul appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 3 February 2021 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that in 1781, Dutch rear admiral Willem Krul was determined to fight a British fleet with a single warship and died?

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The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 20:51, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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~~... that in 1781 Dutch Rear-Admiral Willem Krul with a single war ship chose to fight a British fleet where he lost his life?~~ Source: Botta, 1834, p. 332; Hannay, 1903, p. 153

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Jakob Nacken

Created by Gwillhickers (talk). Self-nominated at 20:01, 20 January 2021 (UTC).[reply]

Gwillhickers, article is new enough and long enough-- could you consider rephrasing the hook to something like "chose to fight a British fleet with a single war ship and lost his life"? I think that might flow better. But the hook is interesting. Earwigs suggests no copyvio. More importantly, perhaps, what makes https://morethannelson.com/, genealogyonline, and geni.com reliable sources? How does Vlasity meet WP:SCHOLARSHIP? QPQ has been done. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 15:24, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that does seem to flow a bit better. While I was at it I switched "chose" to 'determined' to emphasize his determination. Hope that works for you also. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 20:43, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1 : ... that in 1781 Dutch Rear-Admiral Willem Krull determined to fight a British fleet with a single war ship and lost his life?

Sources in question : At Morethannelson naval historian Richard Hiscocks has authored a number of books on British naval history and draws from an extensive historiographical bibliography. Vlasity's work is a Master of Art thesis, at the noted college of William and Mary and is signed off by history professors Frabricio Prado, and Professor Bfyfeft Rushfbtth and Professor Paul Mapp. i.e. "Masters dissertations and theses are considered reliable only if they can be shown to have had significant scholarly influence." Vlasity, Sarah, draws on an extensive bibliography along with numerous primary sources. 'GENi' is used as a corroborating citation [2], but if this is not acceptable I can look for an alternative way to corroborate. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 21:25, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Gwillhickers Your explanations make sense, but I think GENi seems user generated and should probably be replaced, if possible. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 15:18, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I just found 4 sources that will cover the statements in question at Netherlands Wikipedia, but they are written in Dutch. [add:] The Dutch article and citations can be translated with a google (or other) Dutch to English translator. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 21:54, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

looks good then. Hook has been verified, though whether three ships exactly equals a 'fleet' is a bit subjective. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 15:34, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, at first, 'fleet' does tend to suggest more than three, but what primarily defines a fleet is that they are a group of ships all under the same command with a single mission or purpose. In any case, many thanks for your patience and help. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 20:21, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

New article

Content and new sources welcomed. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 02:00, 15 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Where was he born?

The article text states that he was born at The Hague, but the sidebar says he was born at Manchester. Please correct this if you know the answer. Best wishes! Hoktiwe (talk) 05:27, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for resolving this. Hoktiwe (talk) 23:44, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]