Talk:Wilhelm Tranow

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Characterization as "experienced and energetic"

Bauer L., Friedrich (2000). Decrypted Secrets: Methods and Maxims of Cryptology 3rd Edition. Springer. p. 449.

This reference as well as the citation text (having [an] old drive and energetic) are erroneous.

Both, the second (2000)[!] as well as the third[!] (2002) [English] edition have no text page 449. (The bibliography begins on page 448 (2000) and page 449 (2002) respectively.

Friedrich L. Bauer (2000), Entzifferte Geheimnisse – Methoden und Maximen der Kryptologie; Dritte, überarbeitete und erweiterte Auflage; ISBN 978-3-642-63545-8 ISBN 978-3-642-58345-2 (eBook); DOI 10.1007/978-3-642-58345-2

References to Tranow, Wilhelm 449-451; page 449: [...]der unter der Leitung des alterfahrenen und energischen Tranow stand:[...] (Google Translate, indeed, gives "old drive" as the (incorrect) English translation for the German word "alterfahren".)

Friedrich L. Bauer (2000), Decrypted Secrets – Methods and Maxims of Cryptology; Second, Revised and Extended Edition; ISBN 978-3-662-04026-3 ISBN 978-3-662-04024-9 (eBook) DOI 10.1007/978-3-662-04024-9;

References to Tranow, Wilhelm, 424,426; page 424: [...]B-Dienst under the regime of the experienced and energetic Tranow...

Friedrich L. Bauer (2002), Decrypted Secrets – Methods and Maxims of Cryptology; Third, Revised and Updated Edition; ISBN 978-3-662-04738-5 ISBN 978-3-662-04736-1 (eBook) DOI 10.1007/978-3-662-04736-1;

References to Tranow, Wilhelm, 426,427; page 426 [...]B-Dienst under the regime of the experienced and energetic Tranow as follows:[...]

Friedrich L. Bauer (2007), Decrypted Secrets – Methods and Maxims of Cryptology; Fourth, Revised and Extended Edition; ISBN-13 978-3-540-24502-5

References to Tranow, Wilhelm, 472,476; 472: [...]B-Dienst under the regime of the experienced and energetic Tranow as follows:[...]

Thus, the Revision as of "10:41, 16 January 2019" is correct:

He was described as being experienced and energetic.^[1]

Ukjt (talk) 20:41, 6 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Ukjt: Welcome back, This is the same argument I had with you the last time when you tried to ramrod it through then. The reference is from the 3rd edition, and whole article is built on that edition, not the 4th. I have the 3rd edition and the reference is accurate.scope_creep^Talk 00:21, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I will recheck it, and if it is wrong, it will get changed. scope_creep^Talk 00:24, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Ukjt:, I checked it. Your right on the reference, for the 4th edition. It was the 3rd German edition. I cant find it unfortunately. I have a feeling I've sold it. I'll put your reference back, do a revert. However, if I do find that German copy, I will be putting it back. as it was. I rarely make mistakes with references as I check them a month or two after the article is finished. scope_creep^Talk 00:42, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Scope creep: thank you very much for the feedback.

I have the relevant editions (second English edition (2000), third English edition (2002), fourth English edition (2007) as well as the third German edition (2000) at hand.

The relevant reference from the German third edition (see above) is: Tranow, Wilhelm 449–451; page 449: [...]der unter der Leitung des alterfahrenen und energischen Tranow stand:[...] .

For a contribution to the English Wikipedia, a direct quote from the most recent English edition seemed adequate.

Ukjt (talk) 17:12, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Ukjt: Seems to be almost the same phrase. Look like it wasn't from that edition or that series, weird. If it wasn't from that, it must a TICOM, which should make it easier to find. It is that long ago. You forget when you have done so many articles. The ref is perhaps. I know where my document archive is. I check it in the next couple of days. I the meanwhile many many German to English article including several that need expanding. Any help would be appreciated.scope_creep^Talk 19:30, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Bauer, Friedrich L. (2007). Decrypted Secrets: Methods and Maxims of Cryptology (4th, revised and extended ed.). Berlin: Springer. p. 472. ISBN 978-3-540-24502-5.

[1] Bauer, Friedrich L. (2007). Decrypted Secrets: Methods and Maxims of Cryptology (4th, revised and extended ed.). Berlin: Springer. p. 472. ISBN 978-3-540-24502-5.

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