Talk:Wildrose Independence Party of Alberta/Archive 1

Archive 1

This redirect concerns the proposed merger of the Freedom Conservative Party of Alberta and Wexit Alberta

Unless a merger occurs this should likely remain a redirect, and not be converted to an actual article. Any discussions about creating an article for the "Wildrose Independence Party of Alberta" should take place at either Talk:Wexit Canada or Talk:Freedom Conservative Party of Alberta and be noted on the talk pages of both.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 18:35, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Now that the merger has been approved by both party's membership, I have created this article.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 19:18, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose. IF there's a master aticle about Wexit Canada, Wexit Alberta should probably stay there. Me-123567-Me (talk) 20:09, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Is this is a response to the section below? This discussion was concerning the time when this page was a redirect, which is no longer relevant.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 03:38, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Proposed merge of Freedom Conservative Party of Alberta into Wildrose Independence Party of Alberta

Neither party is all that particularly notable on their own and WIPA is a successor to the FCPA. Me-123567-Me (talk) 01:24, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

I am not sure if it the best idea to have one article for these two distinct parties, with distinct names. I tend to think Derek Fildebrandt's split from the UPC was notable enough, and his party's challenging of the UPC from the right during the last election was notable. I would think it would be better to have a pared down stub (or short) article about this soon to be "historical" party. For example, this list of their 2019 candidates is completely unnecessary. Of course, the WIPA is a merger between Freedom and Wexit Alberta, so trying to deal with the Freedom Conservative Party in an article about WIPA may be confusing (particularly if links from 2019 Alberta general election redirected here). It of course is also confusing given the similar name WIPA has to the other historical parties "Wildrose" parties: Wildrose Party of Alberta and Wildrose Party. I tend to think the best way to deal with it is to pare down the Freedom Conservative article to the basics, and when it is de-registered note that and keep it as a short article about that historic party. Then the WIPA article can focus on this new party, with only brief mention of the two founding entities in a background/history section. As an aside, I tend to think the details of the provincial Wexit parties currently dealt with in the Wexit Canada article will need to be excised from that article, since they seem to be breaking off from the federal entity. Wexit Sask seems to be morphing into a "Buffalo" party. And of course, Wexit Alberta is becoming part of WIPA. That said, I think it is easier to address all of Wexit Alberta in this article (than Freedom) as Wexit Alberta never contested an election (and won't if they are merged into WIPA before the next one). The history of "Wexit Alberta" is a very brief one. There is a bit more there with the Freedom Conservatives. Anyway that is how I see the clean up going of these related articles. Content about Wexit Alberta would be merged here (with maybe just a note/sentence left at Wexit Canada that there was an "unregistered"? Alberta party that merged into WIPA). And then this article would exist, and the Freedom one would be pared back to something fitting the historical party it will be.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 03:33, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

I'm opposed to removing content from the Wexit Canada article, and no merge until after they merge politically. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:19, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

I am not in a rush to merge the Wexit Alberta portions into this article either. That said, I think details of the provincial parties is going to have to be pared back and removed from the Wexit Canada article at some point, as I have now mentioned there. Since Jay Hill is saying the provincial and federal parties are not affiliated, or soon won't be: Wexit also plans to run candidates at the provincial level in those provinces, but Hill said the federal party will not be affiliated with the provincial parties.[1] Anyway, that is the direction I see this going.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 18:21, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

They've already merged. The FCP website is gone and the WIPA website is up and active. The name is reserved with Election Alberta. Wexit Alberta was never registered. Me-123567-Me (talk) 20:46, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I am confused about the registration status of Wexit Alberta. Some of the articles seems to say they were registered, but the Elections Alberta just has it noted as a "reserved name", and notes that they are extending reservations due to COVID. Any mystery may be resolved when the registration of WIPA formally goes through beyond the name reservation.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 01:19, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

So now Wexit Alberta has officially merged IRL into Wildrose Independence, and Wexit Saskatchewan has changed its name to the Buffalo Party. How does that affect things here?--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 04:50, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

I still think the FCP article should be merged into this one. Me-123567-Me (talk) 21:18, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I am not sure. It seems to have been an unofficial merger between Wexit Alberta and FCP. As far as I can tell, Wexit Alberta was never registered (they just had the name reserved, because signatures weren't really being collected during COVID, and Elections Alberta granted extensions to do so). Then it seems Wexit and FCP voted to merge, said they had merged, and then just registered as Wildrose Independence by changing the name of FCP to WIPA. I am not sure if we should treat FCP and WIPA as two independent parties, the same party with a different name, successor/predecessors or one of the two founding parties like Canadian Alliance/PCs and CPC. That said, I don't think it is appropriate to have links for the 2019 election re-direct here because that was a different party in name, and possibly in substance, so I lean towards preserving the FCP article as an article about a "historical party". I do think information about Wexit Alberta should be largely merged out of the Wexit Canada article though, as it seems that the provincial and federal parties are going to be completely independent. I am not sure, they were ever actually linked.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 22:48, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

I agree with Darryl, and think that the PC/CA-->CPC example is the most applicable one here. Also, in an Alberta context, we have separate articles for the Alberta Social Credit Party and the Pro-Life Alberta Political Association even though, from a corporate perspective, they're one and the same. We do that because covering the party of Aberhart, Manning and Strom under the heading "Pro-Life Alberta Political Association" would be stupid. I'm largely agnostic on the Wexit stuff, but I think I agree with Darryl there too. Steve Smith (talk) 23:20, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Personally, I support keeping and updating the Alberta section on the main Wexit Canada article with information regarding the autonomous provincial subsidiary. And I know that many of the editors here want separate articles, but it's important to remember that the much larger Wexit Canada article is still very small and could do with the information. Jsraynault (talk) 06:25, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

@Jsraynault: Are you proposing we keep "updating" info about WIPA in Wexit Canada article? There is no Wexit Alberta anymore, it has merged into WIPA. Are you suggesting we keep adding info to this section of the Wexit Canada article anyway? Even though, it isn't the same party anymore since WIPA is a merger of both Wexit Alberta AND the Freedom Conservatives? Do you think we should continue to "update" the Freedom Conservative Party of Alberta page in the same way?--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 00:23, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Darryl Kerrigan The information doesn't need to be constantly updated and maintained, there should be something regarding the topic in both articles. I completely get the idea of merging articles and information together, especially in this case where a more established party is merging with the newcomer. Jsraynault (talk) 01:31, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Okay, I think I understand what you are saying. You think there should be a section in the Wexit Canada article which references the historic Wexit Alberta entity and simply notes that it merged into WIPA? You also think the Freedom Conservative party should do the same (mention the historic party)? You seem to essentially be arguing everything should stay roughly the same as the format that exists on the various pages now (ie no merging of pages or sections). Or am I misunderstanding? I was confused by your suggestion that we would continue "updating" the Wexit Alberta section. I took that as you suggesting new information about WIPA (into the future) should also be included there. I think I now understand you correctly, that you are not proposing that.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 17:30, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

• • oppose** The 2019 paryy is wildly different from the 2020 one. I think its better to keep distinct pages. Mottezen (talk) 21:23, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

There does not seem to be consensus to merge these at this time. I will remove the notices from the articles.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 22:05, 28 September 2020 (UTC)