Talk:Wilderness medical emergency

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A portion of this article was transfer from WP article on Medical emergency. Please do not remove attribution information from WP. Thanks. GeoBard^Rap 21:09, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Merge from Wilderness first aid

I most strenuously object. While that article had problems, this variation ignores those problems and removes the good information that was there about wilderness first aid -- which is what you do while waiting for the professionals to arrive (assuming they ever do!) Wilderness is not a place where 999 or 911 may even be available; you patch up the victim and carry them to the rescue point, or they die before the message gets out. This kind of first aid doesn't get much press -- because it happens in the wilderness!

htom (talk) 01:58, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

There were virtually no references in the Wilderness first aid article - it could all have been misinformation for all I know. I suggest working on the First Aid section here and adding only properly referenced information - if the section becomes large enough in the future it can be split into a new article. Also remember Wikipedia is not a how-to guide, does not provide medical advice, and is not a replacement for emergency services, proper training, or books on the subject.--Pontificalibus (talk) 08:05, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Everybody take a deep breath. We all know how to collaborate effectively because we have training in emergency response, right? SO first things first - we need to make sure that deletionist wikipedians with no particular affinity for emergency response issues don't clobber us with legalisms...another article was templated for deletion on spurious basis that a mere list of wilderness medical emergencies constituted some sort of policy violation. So there is a huge disconnect between the other page, which was a detailed how-to with no citations, and the editor who thinks that no coverage of medical topics arwe permissible on WP. Somewhere between these two extremes, I am sure we will come to agreement. At the moment, I don't really have the time to fully review what my two colleagues above are discussing, but I am certain that we can work out a solution which will be mutually agreeable. Feel free to contact me at my talk page thanks. GeoBard^Rap 18:24, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

My training in this is mostly old and mostly slight (and I don't spend nearly the amount of time in the wilderness I used to -- and miss it tremendously -- and would have to update my training before doing so alone again, so I won't be of much help in creating a new article. Wikipedia, though, like all encyclopedias, can provide more than "call for help", "consult a specialist", or "read some other book". Wilderness first aid is not dialing 911 and waiting for expert help. I can imagine someone having a cdrom version of Wikipedia in the boonies, turning to it, and finding such information infuriatingly unhelpful. We don't need directions on performing an emergency appendectomy; diagnosing such to motivate moving, and how to move the patient, before it ruptures could be lifesaving. htom (talk) 21:20, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

You are preaching to the choir but unfortunately there is no section in WP on instructional articles. However I invite you to come over to WikiBooks and help build up on that. Anyone who goes into the wilderness with a WP CDROM and no first aid material is on a fool's errand however. The administration at WB is very sharp and they have a more relaxed policy on OR and how to.GeoBard^Semi-retired 00:29, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

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