Talk:Wiegenlied (Brahms)

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Copyright

Not sure about these ones, but lyrics are often copyrighted. Please be aware of that. J Milburn 15:32, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I tried Copyscape, but it said it had been searched for ≥20 times in a month!--CarrotMan 06:26, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Similar lyrics?

ok so my version is... (name) say goodnight, in the sky stars are bright close you eyes,start to yawn,pleasant dreams until the dawn soft and warm is your bed,(name)rest your head soft and warm is your bed,(name)rest your head

(name) say goodnight, in the sky stars are bright close you eyes,start to yawn,pleasant dreams until the dawn may your slumber be blessed,(name)come and rest may your slumber be blessed,(name)come and rest may your slumber be blessed,(name)come and rest

(name) close your eyes, mothers right here beside, ill protect you from harm,you will wake in my arms, prescious angels are near,(name)have no fear prescious angels are near,little child i am here 68.230.215.102 (talk) 00:02, 19 June 2010 (UTC)Sarah Lord

I'm not so sure about the "similar lyrics" part. --User:Angie Y.

Wikification

I'm not sure why this article is tagged for wikification, there isn't a lot that can be wikified really. After all, it's mostly lyrics.--CarrotMan 06:36, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Melody

Will someone find the melody to this sweet lullaby? Angie Y. 02:05, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Theme from Symphony No. 2?

There is a similar Lullaby theme used in Symphony No. 2 (Brahms). Is it the same or just "related". I don't have enough knowledge to directly contribute, but if there is a connection between the two lullaby themes, I think it should be included in this article. DavidRF 05:27, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Translation to English

The German word 'wenn' translates in this context to 'if', rather than 'when'. It's a gray area, so if someone wants to revert my change, then go ahead, but translating 'wenn Gott will' as 'when God wants' is over-literal. TheAstonishingBadger (talk) 22:27, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

if God wills.

Will ist ein unvollständiges Hilfsverb/ modales Verb. Das trägt nie ein dritte Person Einzahl "s".

If it pleases God

If God is good willing

So God likes you'll be waken again 2003:EE:F730:B67D:F72C:E0B4:27BE:5181 (talk) 15:01, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Apostrophe S

Shouldn't this be Brahms' and not Brahms's? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.219.30.204 (talk) 10:59, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

See Apostrophe#Singular nouns ending with an "s" or "z" sound. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 11:06, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Yes, but wikipedia is obviously a Nazi-type regime. Power is given to editors that think they should have power, and edits by those with the most knowledge about the topic are denied.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.185.142.227 (talk) 04:59, 24 January 2014‎

Yes. Both Brahms's Lullaby and Brahms' Lullaby are good English, but a simple internet search shows that "Brahms' Lullaby" is used on over a million pages, whereas "Brahms's Lullaby" is used only about a thirtieth as often. The statement "widely known as Brahms's Lullaby" is clearly wrong. Batternut (talk) 11:54, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Solo piano arrangements

Didn't Artur Rubinstein and Alfred Cortot make their own arrangements for solo piano? W.J.M. (talk) 15:33, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

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Close paraphrasing in arrangements section

See preliminary discussion at User talk:CelloCello1#Response. @Jonyungk: afaics you're the editor who introduced the close paraphrased text here. --Francis Schonken (talk) 05:40, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Student assignment

@CelloCello1: in view of your assignment (Wikipedia:Wiki Ed/University of Wisconsin/Music and Literature (2020)) I'm sorry if some of my actions of the last days may have appeared a bit rash – I'd be happy though if you could continue your assignment. If you prefer to work on a draft in your user space, I'd strongly suggest you start by transferring a copy of the latest version of the article (without categories) to the draft page you'd be working on, and leave a link to that draft on this talk page. Preferably, however, I'd strongly suggest you edit the mainspace article, i.e. Wiegenlied (Brahms), directly and use this talk page when you have a question or in the case you'd be unsure about a particular update to the article.

There is some guidance about classical music related articles at Wikipedia:WikiProject Classical music/Guidelines: not that that guidance necessarily needs to be followed too strictly, it might nonetheless give some idea about expectations regarding a well-written article on a classical composition. I'd suggest you familiarise yourself with such guidelines.

The article can be improved in various ways: here are some suggestions,

1. address the close paraphrasing explained above in #Close paraphrasing in arrangements section – i.e. rephrase the close paraphrased content so that it is no longer close paraphrasing (after which the banner tag can be removed).
2. I recuperated the "Bottge, Karen (2005). "Brahms's "Wiegenlied" and the Maternal Voice". 19th-Century Music. 28 (3): 185–213. doi:10.1525/ncm.2005.28.3.185." source from your previous edits: if you have full access to that article, it could be further exploited to expand content in nearly all sections of the article. If you want to generate a numbered footnote to that source, insert {{sfn|Bottge|2005|p=[page number]}}.
3. Among the sources I introduced is, for instance, "Berry, Paul (2014). "Ch. 1: Old Melodies, New Identities". Brahms Among Friends: Listening, Performance, and the Rhetoric of Allusion. AMS Studies in Music. OUP. pp. 41–72. ISBN 9780199982646.". Also sources like that one could be further exploited for additional content to the article. for the Berry source, numbered footnotes can be generated by typing {{sfn|Berry|2014|pp=[page range]}}
4. Look for more reliable sources on Brahms's "Wiegenlied", add them to the article, and summarise content from them.
5. I started to convert the list of recordings to a table: there are a handful of recordings still listed in a bullet list, which could also be transformed to the table format (see help:table for the table syntax), fixing their referencing problems while at it. Apart from recordings already mentioned in the article, probably more recordings could be added to the table.

--Francis Schonken (talk) 11:13, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Roses whisper goodnight 'neath silvery light

"Roses whisper goodnight 'neath silvery light". Who wrote this version of English lyrics? — HenryLi (Talk) 13:25, 20 October 2020 (UTC)