Talk:Who Really Cares (Janis Ian album)

Requested move 14 October 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. Clearer consensus would most likely emerge in a second WP:RM held, but as it stands this one is hard to follow due to changes which occurred mid-discussion. (non-admin closure) –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 17:40, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

– only article with this name Jax 0677 (talk) 14:52, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 13:09, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Who Really Cares currently links to a song unrelated to the album. --Ahecht (TALK
  PAGE) 15:52, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Based on pageviews, the current primary redirect to Who Really Cares (Featuring the Sound of Insanity) is not justified. Agree with User:Jax 0677 that Who Really Cares should be the article title for the album, with a hatnote back to the song (which isn't an exact title match.) 162 etc. (talk) 18:46, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Meanwhile, Who Really Cares (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) has been converted to a dab by Luokehao, an action I completely agree with, so we can close this unless there's anyone Who Really Cares about the issue. No such user (talk) 09:15, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support formal move discussion - I think that a formal move discussion announced on the album page is in order, as the album by Janis Ian is the only article that is actually named "Who Really Cares". --Jax 0677 (talk) 12:59, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

– a move discussion about Who Really Cares (album) was started before the dab page at Who Really Cares was created Jax 0677 (talk) 17:04, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Sawol (talk) 14:27, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The move discussion in Talk:Who Really Cares (album) looks not yet settled. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 22:20, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Does a potential move of Who Really Cares not need to be discussed simultaneously with a move to that site? --Jax 0677 (talk) 22:38, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - The move discussion in Talk:Who Really Cares (album) wants to move Who Really Cares to Who Really Cares (disambiguation) and then Who Really Cares (album) to Who Really Cares. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 09:05, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    - It does now, it did not do so before I made the request. --Jax 0677 (talk) 12:03, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. There is no primary topic, and the album is not particularly notable either: Who Really Cares was almost entirely ignored by the music press upon its release... she is not known to have performed anything from Who Really Cares since 1972, nor has the album ever been represented on any of her career compilations. No such user (talk) 06:57, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Reply - Does not matter, because it is the only actual article with this name. If another article with this name is made, then Who Really Cares should be a DAB page. --Jax 0677 (talk) 01:22, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not really. We're looking into topics with this name or a very similar one. If the said topic is obscure (like this album, which on tight scrutiny might even fail Afd) and may be easily confused with other things, it's much more reader-friendly to present a dab page at that title. Besides, we're looking at a set of titles whose pageviews are very low and below the level of a statistical error. I'd like to see a clearcut primary topic in such cases, and there is not one here. No such user (talk) 21:10, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Reply - If the article fails AFD, then the DAB page can remain. If the other items are worthy of articles, then those pages should be created. --Jax 0677 (talk) 22:06, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I came here to close this request, but found a comment that I didn't understand. Jax 0677 you said that there is only one article called "Who Really Cares", but I see two listed on this dab: Who Really Cares (album) and Who Really Cares (Featuring the Sound of Insanity). Did I misinterpret your comment? VR _talk 18:47, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Reply - The album is the only article with that title. The song does not have that exact title. --Jax 0677 (talk) 22:28, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Jax 0677: Are you referring to the fact that one is italicized and the other is not? That's the only difference I can see.VR _talk 00:07, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Reply - The song "Who Really Cares (Featuring the Sound of Insanity)" has eight words, and is not called just "Who Really Cares". The album is actually named "Who Really Cares" with only three words. --Jax 0677 (talk) 00:55, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Got it, thanks! VR _talk 01:03, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support the move because as Jax stated, this is the only article with that precise title, and the song title as it already is, provides natural disambiguation. A hatnote would suffice. TiggerJay (talk) 15:42, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. YttriumShrew (talk) 23:59, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.