Talk:Who Is the Bad Art Friend?

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Proposed move to "Bad Art Friend dispute"

Kolker's viral story inspired wider interest in the dispute between Larson and Dorland. But most resulting coverage has been for the dispute and its fallout, not about Kolker's story. Therefore the article title should reflect the more-notable topic (the dispute) rather than the less-notable story.

Here are some examples, in reference format.^[1]^[2]^[3]^[4]

@Sdkb: and @Czar: and @Thefakemelissa:, what do you think? HouseOfChange (talk) 23:52, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I could see us restructuring the article to be about the case rather than the article, but I'm ambivalent about that. If we keep the current structure, I think the title should be the title of the article. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 23:57, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It would make sense for an article about the conflict to include a section about Kolker's article. I just think there is a lot more material to work from about the dispute rather than there is about the process of Kolker's writing his article, just for example, two news stories from 2018.^[5]^[6] HouseOfChange (talk) 00:47, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

But the dispute isn't the subject of the coverage. The NYT article and the impact ("discourse") of that story is the subject of the coverage, hence the article's title and prevalence of "Bad Art Friend", not "Dorland–Larson dispute". The feud itself isn't independently notable—its only coverage is local. czar 04:07, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Waldman, Katy. "The Short Story at the Center of the 'Bad Art Friend' Saga". The New Yorker. Retrieved November 3, 2021. Larson justified her use of Dorland's post by distinguishing between the informational text of restaurant menus or tweets—pedestrian stuff, the prose of everyday life—and art, which transfigures and transcends.
^ "Author at the center of 'Bad Art Friend' controversy leaves GrubStreet following review". www.wbur.org. October 29, 2021. Retrieved November 2, 2021. In another, GrubStreet artistic director Christopher Castellani writes of Dorland, 'my mission in life is going to be to exact revenge on this pestilence of a person.'
^ Green, Alex (November 1, 2021). "Grub Street Tackles 'Art Friend' Fallout". Publishers Weekly. Retrieved November 2, 2021. Grubstreet..founder and executive director Eve Bridburg wrote in a statement that the involvement of so many leaders in the organization's community—and the release of potentially disparaging emails by them—prompted an internal review and other steps intended to address matters of professionalism, as well as of 'race, class, elitism, artistic ethics, and insider-outsider dynamics.'
^ Novack, Daniel; Valsangikar, Tanvi (November 3, 2021). "Who Is the Bad Copyright Friend?". Hollywood Reporter. Retrieved November 3, 2021. Dorland ... concedes she does not own her life story. Rather, she claims ownership of the unique way she conveyed her thoughts and feelings about her kidney donation.
^ Ambrose, Graham (July 26, 2018). "Inspiration or plagiarism? Writing hackles raised in Boston dispute". Boston Globe. Retrieved November 3, 2021. Larson denies copying Dorland's post. "There's only so many ways to write this letter. It's a standard letter you write, and you can go online and find many samples of it — which is what I did. I wrote my own fictional letter," she said.
^ Ambrose, Graham (August 13, 2018). "Boston Book Festival cancels One City One Story event amid plagiarism flap". Boston Globe. Retrieved November 3, 2021. The Boston Book Festival is canceling its popular One City One Story event, the latest development in a controversy ignited by plagiarism allegations that dogged Sonya Larson's 'The Kindest,' the work that had been selected for the marquee session, which will take place in October.

WP:OR in #Reception

Before chopping off a huge chunk of the article, I thought I'd point out here that a lot of the content of the Reception section is original research and should not be in the article, at least not sourced to the currently used refs. The entirety of the first two paragraphs, sourced to primary sources (Twitter and Reddit), same for the penultimate paragraph (ref'd to court files). VdSV9•♫ 01:12, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Schazjmd (talk) 01:20, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Preview (?) issues with Brianna Wu

When I hover over Brianna Wu's name, the preview that comes up is for John James Flynt Walker Jr. I don't know how to fix this so I'm just throwing it out here. Webbandspider (talk) 21:12, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure what's glitching for you then. I just checked and Brianna Wu points to the Brianna Wu article for me. He iro 22:28, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

BRD section about Celeste Ng

This article (see above) is about the NYT story, not about the authors' dispute per se. Celeste Ng was one of several people who quickly commented on social media, based on the misconception that the dispute was over a story's inspiration rather than over re-use of substantial text. I removed the recent addition of a paragraph centered on Ng, which seems to have been repurposed from a recent addition of a paragraph to Celeste Ng, as offtopic and undue for this article. HouseOfChange (talk) 20:27, 31 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[NYer-1] Waldman, Katy. "The Short Story at the Center of the 'Bad Art Friend' Saga". The New Yorker. Retrieved November 3, 2021. Larson justified her use of Dorland's post by distinguishing between the informational text of restaurant menus or tweets—pedestrian stuff, the prose of everyday life—and art, which transfigures and transcends.

[WBUR1029-2] "Author at the center of 'Bad Art Friend' controversy leaves GrubStreet following review". www.wbur.org. October 29, 2021. Retrieved November 2, 2021. In another, GrubStreet artistic director Christopher Castellani writes of Dorland, 'my mission in life is going to be to exact revenge on this pestilence of a person.'

[PW1102-3] Green, Alex (November 1, 2021). "Grub Street Tackles 'Art Friend' Fallout". Publishers Weekly. Retrieved November 2, 2021. Grubstreet..founder and executive director Eve Bridburg wrote in a statement that the involvement of so many leaders in the organization's community—and the release of potentially disparaging emails by them—prompted an internal review and other steps intended to address matters of professionalism, as well as of 'race, class, elitism, artistic ethics, and insider-outsider dynamics.'

[HWR1103-4] Novack, Daniel; Valsangikar, Tanvi (November 3, 2021). "Who Is the Bad Copyright Friend?". Hollywood Reporter. Retrieved November 3, 2021. Dorland ... concedes she does not own her life story. Rather, she claims ownership of the unique way she conveyed her thoughts and feelings about her kidney donation.

[BG201807-5] Ambrose, Graham (July 26, 2018). "Inspiration or plagiarism? Writing hackles raised in Boston dispute". Boston Globe. Retrieved November 3, 2021. Larson denies copying Dorland's post. "There's only so many ways to write this letter. It's a standard letter you write, and you can go online and find many samples of it — which is what I did. I wrote my own fictional letter," she said.

[BG201808-6] Ambrose, Graham (August 13, 2018). "Boston Book Festival cancels One City One Story event amid plagiarism flap". Boston Globe. Retrieved November 3, 2021. The Boston Book Festival is canceling its popular One City One Story event, the latest development in a controversy ignited by plagiarism allegations that dogged Sonya Larson's 'The Kindest,' the work that had been selected for the marquee session, which will take place in October.

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