Talk:White hunter

Primitive Natives

"Because these men typically displayed great determination, bravery, cleverness and physical skills, and their demeanor often had the stamp of educated and privileged backgrounds, their presence commanded the respect if not reverence of the primitive natives who served them." When was the writer of this phrase born, 1850?? I'm changing the wording for a more updated, elegant version. The present version smacks of nostalgia for days long ago dead. Kemet 23:42, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Much of the narrative about Africa on Wikipedia, especialy colonialism, Rhodesia and the Bantu Migration is being written by Rhodies. That is the problem.MrSativa (talk) 19:20, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Kemet, there seems to be someone on Wikipedia trying to push a White Identity for Rhodesians and South Africans. I have already had to remove an entire chapter on 'Neoteny' from the San People page. This scientific racism is garbage, however it was the bread and butter of the 1950s era education in Rhodesia and South Africa, which of course was extremely racist. It is as if someone is paid to push these racist and long ago scientifically discredited ideas onto Wikipedia. So my question is - who is making these submissions, who is paying them, and why aren't they stopped? Are people nowadays so unaware that they can't spot scientific racism from a mile away? In fact this entire White Hunter page could be about the literary phenomenon of the valorization of white rule in Africa. Instead, it is framed as a White Identity page, as if there was a clearly identifiable ethnic group called White Hunters. "The present version smacks of nostalgia for days long ago dead." Exactly. Welcome to Rhodesiana. There is even a page called White Africans, a phrase completely made up by Ben Freeth, who was born in Scotland.

Cultural Reference

There was a reference of Vice President Dick Cheney being a "great white hunter" at the 2006 White House Correspondents' Association dinner by presidential look-alike Steve Bridges. I am waiting for the official transcript from the White House, but in the mean time see [1]. GChriss 16:25, 30 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral point of view

This phrase can certainly be used in a derogatory way, but then so can many other words. "Kaffir" is listed in wikipedia in part as "an ethnic slur" but noone has complained about that! "Great White Hunter" can stay as it is. Criggie 01:51, 8 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

White Hunter

The late Peter Capstick, professional hunter and author, would turn over in his grave to read this entry on the Great White Hunter. According to his books, Great White Hunter is a bogus term developed by those who were more into creative writing than hunting. A White Hunter is a hunter who guides clients on hunting expeditions, regardless of race. As a man who spent more than ten years in Rhodesia (Zimbabwe), Botswana, and Kenya chasing the Big Five as a white hunter, Mr. Capstick is certainly an expert on the subject. I considered creating a new article for White Hunter, but I am not certain that would be appropriate. Instead, I added a paragraph on White Hunter. Anyone else care to comment on this? Hildenja 17:09, 8 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This is falsely classified as a popular term to promote hate. The article does not present a neutral point of view. There are no sources available that cite this as a "common" term as the article implies. The one source cited shows a loophole used to promote the article. The film Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom is a hate propaganda film that promoted itself by funding websites to promote this form of material as well as the phrase "Great White Hunter" and their anti Trump material. The article is grossly inaccurate and shows such in the material presented. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 23.127.224.132 (talk) 04:05, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Why not both?

If the 'Great White Hunter' term is derogatory, or as 'Hildenja' says 'White Hunter' is the real deal, why not have an article combining the two? The actual hunters of real life, literature, and the big screen with definitions and examples of 'white hunter' and 'great white hunter'?Waukegan 12:32, 7 August 2007 (UTC)Waukegan[reply]

White vs. Great White

It seems to me that the murk of colonialism and racism quickly obscure some of the basic facts of this history. There were "white hunters" who were perfectly pleased to call themselves that. "Great White Hunters" is one of those devilling phrases which mixes derision and exaltation to the degree that they can't be disentagled. Its origins are obscure, but it almost certainly arived through the pop-culture glorification of those hunters, though today it is almost exclusively used pejoratively. As for the original "white hunters," there is a clear and indentifiable timeline for the job, as well as a well-documented list of those who paid to use their services. I've done my best (I hope it's good enough) to rebuild this page around some of those figures and the critical events that opened East Africa to game hunting and the safari culture. I certainly hope that I haven't offended the sensibilities of any reader or editor with the manner in which I've framed the complex interrelations of power, wealth, class and race within the context of African colonization. I don't know if such a discussion is possible on the 'white hunters' page; I've tried very hard to point to the ugly truths and ironies of white domination of Africa without making the page a screed against the (very real) injustices of the colonial era and aftermath.Shlimozzle (talk) 15:22, 25 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I was bold

While I have no desire to de-emphasize the racial and economic injustices that the white hunters participated in and profited from, it strikes me as simply wrong to use the secondary term (Great white hunter) as the title of the article. It would be like titling an article about the Thompson submachine gun "Tommy gun".

Simply put, in the autobiographies and serious sources on the actual men who did this, the term is "White hunter." That was the term used in period, and there is no reason for Wikipedia to do otherwise. I don't agree with the suggestion for two articles, since a thing and its parody/critique are not really different things.

I rewrote the lede in keeping with the name change, and kept the information on the term Great white hunter.

Robert A.West (Talk) 03:50, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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"Professional hunter" as an occupation versus "White hunter" as a literary term for specific hunters in colonial Africa

Either both topics should have their own article or "White hunter" should be integrated as a subitem in a "Professional hunter" article.

Firstly, by far not all of todays licensed professional hunters in South Africa, Namibia, Zambia or elsewhere are cliché "White hunters". In fact, quite a lot fo them are black Africans.
Secondly, there're many professional hunters in Europe (the german and austrian "Berufsjäger", the swedish "Yrkesjägare", etc.), North America (e.g. professional hunting guides) and Oceania (e.g. professional hunters in New Zealand), that have nothing to do with the colonial african "White hunter".

Any comments or objections? --Tilon3 (talk) 12:46, 28 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]