Talk:White Rose/Archive 1

Archive 1

moved from article

' With the fall of Nazi Germany, the White Rose came to represent the purest form of opposition to tyranny, with no interest in personal power or self-aggrandizement. Their story became so well-known that the composer Carl Orff, attempting to justify his remaining in Germany during the war, claimed to his Allied interrogators that he was a founding member of the White Rose and released. While he was personally acquainted with Huber, there is no evidence that Orff was in any way involved in the movement, and he most likely made his claim to escape imprisonment. '

I would like to see some documentation of this, and even if it is provided the POV, assumptions and general maligning of Mr. Orff will need to be removed. Sam [Spade] 18:34, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)

http://www.h-net.org/~german/articles/dennis1.html ; A more detailed account of Orff's connections to the Nazis belongs into his encyclopedia entry. Appart from the wishy-washy first sentence, the rest can probably be re-added to the article. - snoyes 18:45, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Please also list the "POV, assumptions, and general maligning". - snoyes 18:48, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I don't see this passage as POV. As for the specifics, if it's not generally accepted then it should be sourced to the Kater article. When it's restored to the article, the word "was" should be inserted before "released". JamesMLane 23:40, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Excessive linking

I just deleted a bunch of internal links on ordinary, well recognised, English words ... before reverting these please read Wikipedia:Make only links relevant to the context. Note that for links to be helpful they should be relevant to the context of the current article. Links to broad and general concept definitions do not fall in that category.

Having read the page you cite, and also the comments disagreeing with it, I'm restoring the link to treason. There are other links that have some value, but this is the one I feel strongly about. One can make a colorable argument for either side of the charge that these students were guilty of treason, and the reader might want an elaboration of the concept. In fact, the article on treason could usefully be expanded by consideration of cases such as this one, in which someone acts in the interests of the nation but against the commands of the regime now in power. JamesMLane 17:44, 22 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Why a link to goat.cx?

Above the display of the article is a `you have new messages' link which takes me to www.goat.cx. It isn't above other articles. And it doesn't appear in the articles source.

That was vandalism and has been removed. If you see it appear again, remove it again. JamesMLane 17:44, 22 Jun 2004 (UTC)

European federalist bias

What evidence exists that the White Rose collectively "believed in a federated Europe"?

This is mentioned in the fifth leaflet. DwightKingsbury 08:37, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Prussian militarism?

Why is there mention of Prussian militarism? Is this an opinion expressed by White Rose people? Otherwise it might just as well read "the national-socialist glorification of violence", "Germany's role as aggressor" or whatever. It might even be argued that putting Prussian militarism on the same level as Nazi aggression is an insult to Prussian militarism. Anyway, it seems POV to me. Divad 15:57, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Not if you believe that Prussian Militarism was the seedbed for Nazism or at least that when Nazism came to power the infrastructure, culture or mindset of Prussian Militarism in place was perfectly suited to being used to their ends. The Prussian belief that society should be structured around military lines, that war and expansion was the goal and that unwavering belief in the line of command had to come before morality played right into the Nazis hands. So the link should stay, I think. ThePeg 11:58, 28 November 2006 (UTC)