Talk:What to the Slave Is the Fourth of July?

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Thank you, Alex, for creating this article. I suggest you add links to youtube videos of James Earl Jones, Morgan Freeman and Danny Glover reading excerpts. Also, the full text should be linked to: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/What_to_the_Slave_is_the_Fourth_of_July? Paulmlieberman (talk) 14:33, 17 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Paulmlieberman: Thanks for the great feedback! These are generally uncontroversal edits, and you could be bold, and added them yourself. I did the Wikisource addition, and I will let you add the appropriate videos using Template:YouTube as you find fit. Feel free to expand the article in other ways as well, I don't have access to a research library right now, so my use of academic articles is limited in this early part of the draft, Sadads (talk) 15:46, 17 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This site is a double of the existing site about the speech that was created sometimes in Jun 2013, under https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hypocrisy_of_American_Slavery I'm not an expert in editing Wikipedia pages, but the two sites should be combined. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.220.96.160 (talk) 02:39, 27 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed merge with Oration, delivered in Corinthian Hall, Rochester, July 5, 1852

The two articles are about the same speech, but "What to a slave is the 4th of July?" is the name by which it is better known. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 03:08, 27 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Good catch, thanks. Innisfree987 (talk) 03:23, 27 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Both articles could be improved by this merger. Leschnei (talk) 13:39, 8 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Keep this title in particular, I'd say. --Akhenaten0 (talk) 16:14, 23 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. The other title can remain in place as a redirect. Innisfree987 (talk) 20:19, 4 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Let's hold off until we find out how it got this title (which, Google's Ngram tells us, didn't take off until the mid-1980s). Meanwhile, the two article should reference each other. (And why is there no link to the full text in either?!!) Frappyjohn (talk)

While the subject of how and why Douglass's Rochester speech came to be known as "What to the Slave Is the Fourth of July?" are interesting and should be added to the article, under Wikipedia guidelines, articles should generally be titled using the most commonly recognizable names. According to the first source in the article, an article in The Wall Street Journal, "The speech, which is now widely titled 'What to the Slave Is the Fourth of July?,' has become a staple of high-school and college education." Except for the 19th-century title, "Oration, delivered in Corinthian Hall, Rochester, July 5, 1852", have you seen any other titles used for the speech? Can you provide a single reason why an encyclopedia should have two articles on the same subject?

Finally, there is a link to the text of the speech. At the bottom right corner of the page, there's a box that links to the text at WikiSource. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 20:06, 4 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Right: policy says that as a default a subject should only have one page until there's compelling evidence that suggests two parts of the topic have notability independent of one another, or, that the entry is so long that covering it adequately requires a content fork. Neither is the case here. The merge is overdue and no policy-based objections have been raised since it was proposed in January, so I think anyone willing to do the work of the merge should go ahead. Innisfree987 (talk) 20:19, 4 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Will do. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 20:53, 4 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Done. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 21:39, 4 July 2018 (UTC)\[reply]

Support. I merged yet another page on the same speech (The Hypocrisy of American Slavery) to this one since this is the title given for the speech in the critical edition of the collected Frederick Douglass Papers, Series One Vol. 2. Meg Zulick 12:13, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Which president? Or was there one?

1852 would seem to then be Millard Fillmore? Oh dear, and who pushed Compromise of 1850 which included the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850. Seems so. [1] Should be mentioned specifically and in relation to those acts, I think. Shenme (talk) 04:19, 3 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, Fillmore would have been President then, but I can't find any good source indicating that there was any President present at the event at all. Same goes for the "other important figures." I've inserted a "Citation Needed" tag. Frappyjohn (talk)

The "President" he mentions would have been the President of the Rochester Ladies Anti-Slavery Society. Meg Zulick 12:13, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Additional link to full text needed

Expecting to find the speech itself, the reader instead finds an article about the speech with only a few quotes from the original text. As noted in the discussion above, a link to the full text of the speech does exist. However, it is found only at the bottom of the article, after the footnotes, in the section Further reading. A user may have to search through the article a few times before finding a way to get to where they really want to go. Adding a link to the full text at the BEGINNING of the article (preferably in the first paragraph) should provide readers with a more convenient experience and ease of use. MusicTree3 (talk) 05:56, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Good idea, but I instead used a template right below the photo. Anythingyouwant (talk) 16:33, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That's good--much more visible. Thank you. I'll delete the one at the bottom.MusicTree3 (talk) 21:03, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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