Talk:Whale Wars/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

New Cast List

I believe that many of the positions have been switched around over the years. For example, there's a new captain for the Bob Barker, and others got promoted to different ranks this new season. Bioniclepluslotr (talk) 15:52, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Any news on why Chuck is no longer captain of the Bob Barker? 64.136.27.22 (talk) 00:16, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Alex Cornelissen is the captain of the Bob Barker. He was busy during the Bob's first campaign, so Chuck took his place. Bioniclepluslotr (talk) 20:19, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Faroe Islands

Apparently there is a Whale Wars spinoff that follows Sea Shepherd in the Faroe Islands. Can anyone find official sources? I found some on Ecorazzi, but I don't know if that's official. Bioniclepluslotr (talk) 20:17, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

It's been confirmed. There's a spin off of Whale Wars. See here. Bioniclepluslotr (talk) 12:08, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Cast Mistake: 2 captains of Bob Barker

In the section cast Peter Hammarstedt and Chuck Swift are both Captain of the Bob Barker without any year. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.204.218.175 (talk) 19:21, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Paul Watson's role as captain

Twice now, the cast table has been edited to remove Paul Watson's role as "Captain of the Steve Irwin and "Admiral" of the fleet" with the reasoning that "Watson is not a licensed captain".[1][2] However, this is entirely irrelevant. Quite aside from the fact that the MY Steve Irwin is registered as a motor yacht and therefore apparently does not require a licensed captain, the column is titled "Role", and Watson's role in this television program is that of "Captain of the Steve Irwin and "Admiral" of the fleet". Both have been mentioned numerous times. There simply is no reason why his role should be removed. Removing the role entirely is disruptive, as it leaves the role empty when it shouldn't be. --AussieLegend (talk) 07:48, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Just noting, for future reference, that "of the Steve Irwin and admiral of the fleet" was first added here. --03:53, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

It should be made clear that his roles of “captain” and “admiral” are entirely imaginary within the group. He’s neither a captain nor an admiral by any meaningful sense of the word. I can call myself Lord Emperor, but that doesn’t make me a head of state or magically earn me any respect. — TheHerbalGerbil^(TALK|STALK), 07:01, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

I wouldn't say they're entirely imaginary just within the group, given the number of reliable third party sources that refer to him as both captain and admiral. Apparently everyone else is imagining it too. --AussieLegend (talk) 07:09, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Sea Shepherd I and Sea_Shepherd_Conservation_Society_operations#Cooperation_with_Costa_Rica_.282002.29 both have him as captain.--Canoe1967 (talk) 08:59, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Paul Watson's claimed seamanship credentials

Three times now, the article has been edited to claim Paul Watson as a "captain" and/or "admiral" when he hold credentials to neither position. His lack of certification is a verifiable fact, and editing the article to claim otherwise violates WP:BLP]] and WP:V, as well as imposing a point of view on the situation. Edits that promote his position falsely will be removed. -- Mikeblas (talk) 02:11, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Inclusion of Watson's role is neither a WP:BLP or WP:V violation. This is an article about a television program and the cast table identifies his role in the television program, not his persoanl qualifiactions. Jim Parsons is not a physicist, yet he is identified as one in The Big Bang Theory. It doesn't matter that one program is fictional and the other is not, it's a role in a TV program so it's not a BLP issue. It has been stated numerous times in Whale Wars that Watson is captain of the Steve Irwin and that he is regarded as "Admiral" of the fleet so verifiability isn't an issue, as it is EASILY verifiable. The opening narrative of every episode of Whale Wars includes a reference to "Captain Paul Watson" so his role can't be credibly questioned. There are independent third part reliable sources that refer to Watson as captain.[3][4][5][6] Presenting veriable facts as they are presented is treating the subject neutrally despite your assertion. This is purely a content dispute and, as you should know, you should respect WP:BRD and WP:STATUSQUO. The latter is why I will be restoring the content that you deleted. In order to remove this content again you need to at least prove that WP:BLP is an issue here. --AussieLegend (talk) 02:37, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

To allay any BLP concerns I have raised this at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Whale Wars. --AussieLegend (talk) 02:53, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Watson's role in this TV program is captain/admiral. Whether or not he actually qualifies as one doesn't matter.—Chris!_c/t 04:27, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Of course it does. The title is a credential, not simply a self-assigned role. I've added a note that explains this without removing the "captain and admiral" claim so that readers have a chance at understanding the unbiased facts. Hopefully, this won't be reverted by those who think that such titles aren't earned. -- Mikeblas (talk) 23:34, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Per standard usage, wikt:captain does not imply licensure, merely "The person lawfully in command of a ship or other vessel." Hipocrite (talk) 17:01, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Is this it?

"Several years after ramming the Sierra, Watson gave himself the title of captain, though he does not have a captain’s license. “He loves to dress up in uniform, as ‘Captain Paul Watson,’ and suddenly there’s enough gold braid on his shoulders to skipper the Queen Mary,” David Sellers, an old friend and former Sea Shepherd crew member, told me. In the eighties, Sellers and Watson fought so bitterly over the seaworthiness of Watson’s ship that they did not speak for fifteen years. (Sellers, a licensed captain, had insisted that it was not safe for ocean travel.) Many of Watson’s colleagues from the seventies and eighties no longer work with him; they have grown tired either of the campaigns or of Watson’s style of leadership—“anarchy run by God,” a longtime volunteer called it. “He doesn’t like people who disagree with him.”

• This is the only source I found. A statement quoted inside a source by a person that doesn't seem to like him and has no sources to back the claim. Are there any reliable sources?--Canoe1967 (talk) 20:03, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

That's the source. It is dated November 2007, 12 months before this series first aired, so I don't see its relevance to this article. --AussieLegend (talk) 10:49, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Cast information

MOS:TV requires that articles reflect the entire history of a series but the cast table in this article only shows the latest positions held by the various cast members. The table really needs to be changed so that the positions held each year are included. --AussieLegend (talk) 11:17, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Actually, it does not "require" it. According to MOS:TV "Remember, this is only a guide, and may change depending on Wikipolicy or participant consensus." Being only a guide I would think looking at it a such, in this specific article would be best. If we were to list every cast member for every year the list would get unwieldy very quick, especially if they are not canceled for many years. What is the average cast list? Like 40 members a year, with most not returning in subsequent years. Maybe it could be changed to something like "notable cast list"? That may satisfy the intent. El Heuro (talk) 01:46, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Brigitte Bardot

The ship Gojira is recently renamend in Brigitte Bardot as noted in her own article on Wikipedia, greetings from Golden Age Holland — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.120.23.150 (talk) 02:45, 23 October 2012 (UTC)