Talk:Westman's Bagel & Coffee/GA1

GA Review

Passed. TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 04:49, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Nominator: Another Believer (talk · contribs) 19:26, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: TrademarkedTWOrantula (talk · contribs) 14:20, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bagels and coffee?? TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 14:20, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Only gonna do initial comments for this review. I will be back in a couple of hours. TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 14:29, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:45, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies if the review seems to be delayed. I have schoolwork I need to catch up on (as is for everyone). TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 03:01, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No worries at all! There's no rush here. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 03:13, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Another Believer: I have finished your review. TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 01:11, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@TrademarkedTWOrantula I think I've addressed your concerns, but please let me know if any issues remain. Thanks again! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:38, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.	Prose is clean. No typos spotted.
	1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.	Lead section is of adequate length. Layout is correct per MOS:LAYOUT. No words spotted on WTW list. Fiction and list incorporation policies do not apply.
2. Verifiable with no original research, as shown by a source spot-check:
	2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.	Reference section attributes sources. No bare URLs spotted.
	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).	Most sources are reliable, and they are cited. Article is well-referenced.
	2c. it contains no original research.	Spotchecking proves there is no original research.
	2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism.	~~A considerable amount of text is copied from one article. Quotes could be cut down or shortened.~~ This has been fixed, so this criterion shall pass.
3. Broad in its coverage:
	3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.	Article contains information about the shop's interior (and exterior), its menu, its history, and its reception.
	3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).	Article stays focused.
	4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.	Article stays neutral.
	5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.	Article has only one contributor, so no edit wars have occurred. Development is at a steady pace.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
	6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.	Logo is tagged with copyright status and non-free use rationale. All other images are tagged with the CC 4.0 SA license.
	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.	Logo and building images are relevant. Captions are suitable.
	7. Overall assessment.	Bagel bagel bagel bagel...

Copyright violations

Quite concerning. Top result is at a 49% similarity; one paragraph is even copied word-for-word.
- The paragraph is attributed appropriately in the Reception section. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:53, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Images

I'm not sure why there are three different images of the same location. Couldn't the third image (in the reception section) suffice?
- I have replaced one with a photo of the University District location. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:45, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

Monica Dimas and Molly Westman opened the original location on Capitol Hill in January 2018, and a second shop followed in the University District in 2022. -> "Monica Dimas and Molly Westman opened a location on Capitol Hill in January 2018 and another in the University District in 2022."
- Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:16, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Cut "a variety of"
- Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:16, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Link sandwich
- Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:16, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
specifically for its bagels and bagon, egg, and cheese sandwich (more than one thing was focused on)
- Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:16, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Description

What's a "walkup counter"? Do you go to the desk and order some food right from there?
- There's a counter and register right at the sidewalk. See File:Seattle in Dec. 2022 - 014.jpg ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:23, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
super-cute outdoor 'diner,' a tiny wedge of life - Reception?
- I've trimmed this a bit. I think it is helpful to keep mention of "diner" in the Description section. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:23, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
with framed art and three bright yellow stools -> "...with framed art and three stools."
- Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:23, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Seattle Times has described the business' New York–style bagels as "fat and dense, but with a good, tight honeycomb of very small air bubbles inside". - I'm not sure how the description of the bagels is relevant here.
- I would think a description of the bagels is most appropriate for the Menu section. Where would you want this to be moved? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:23, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Link schmear
- Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:23, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
in ~~various~~ flavors
- Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:23, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Brownies and chocolate chip cookies? As in, you get them together?
- As in the brownies and the CC cookies both have tahini. I changed "and" to "as well as". ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:23, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Link sandwich
- Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:23, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What kind(s) of juice?
- I don't recall coming across anything more specific. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:23, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What kind(s) of tea?
- I don't recall coming across anything more specific. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:23, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

History

previously announced ("report" is a word to watch)
- Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:33, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure why Westman and Dimas aren't credited as chefs in the infobox
- Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:33, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
media outlets reported - Whoop. There it is again!
- Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:33, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Does Westman's Bakeshop specifically sell pastries (and only pastries)?
- The shop did not come to fruition. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:33, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait, come to think of it, I don't see coffee anywhere on the menu. Is there coffee??
- The article says, "Westman's serves espresso from Caffé Vita Coffee Roasting Company." ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:33, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Link The Ave
- I don't see this in the prose. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:33, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, it's its former name, University Way Northeast. Linked. TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 03:59, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Replace COVID-19 link with COVID-19 pandemic in Washington (state)
- Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:33, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reception

Westman's was popular upon opening. - Cut.
- Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:37, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
may sell out?
- Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:37, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The website included Westman's in a 2022 list of breakfast sandwiches in the city "worth waking up early to get". - Feel like this should be the last sentence in this section (since we're going in chronological order)
- I wanted to keep the Eater Seattle claims together. Reception sections are a mix of grouping content by publication and by chronology. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:37, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, here's how I'm gonna reword the block of text:
"...and opined that although she praised the shop's menu, she stated that the long lines may hinder the business."
- Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:37, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
She wrote, "It's the best breakfast sandwich in the city—a little taste of New York right here in Seattle." -> "She wrote that it was the 'best breakfast sandwich' in Seattle, noting its inspiration from New York."
- Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:37, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"has long been a favorite by the Emerald City's bagel connoisseurs" -> "...has gained a positive reputation among Seattleites"?
- Done, but I went with "garnered" instead of "gained". ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:37, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Westman's bagels don't quite succeed at replicating what you'll find in NYC (where bagels are more dense), but they're still pretty good." -> "...Westman's bagels '[didn't] quite succeed' at replicating a NYC bagel."
- Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:37, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Spotchecking

Five sources. This revision.

#8 Y
#12 Y
#22 Y
#26 Y
#31 Y

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