Talk:Wayward Son (novel)

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Did you know... that Wayward Son was described as "a delirious candy-coated romp"?

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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:57, 4 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Any Way The Wind Blows is Wayward Son's sequel?
- ALT1:... that Wayward Son is Rainbow Rowell's fourth young adult novel?

Created/expanded by Madeleinerberry (talk). Self-nominated at 17:40, 12 August 2021 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

Adequate sourcing: - I think there's some unsourced analysis in the section covering the characters. See WP:OR–Try to pull analysis from secondary sources, instead of interpreting the book on your own.
Neutral:
Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

Cited:
Interesting: - I think the hook is a little too straightforward. Maybe pull an interesting bit from the book, or preferably from a review of the book?

QPQ: None required.

Overall: We're not quite ready for DYK, but I wouldn't give up just yet–let's see if we can't clean up the section on the characters and improve the hook, and then we'll be good to go! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 19:40, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

oops, i have to ping people? @Madeleinerberry: theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 01:14, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
ALTs suggested by nominator (originals kept for posterity):

ALT2: ... that Wayward Son's protagonist, Simon Snow, has red dragon wings and a cartoon devil tail?

ALT3: ... that Wayward Son was nominated for a Goodreads Choice Award for Young Adult Fantasy and Science Fiction in 2019?

theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 03:55, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Both ALT2 and ALT3 are sufficiently interesting, but may I suggest one more? Totally up to you whether you want to use it:

ALT4: That in Wayward Son, the group kills a handful of vampires at a renaissance faire in Nebraska?

theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 04:01, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

could someone weigh in on what kind of sourcing the article needs? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 05:08, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'd be happy to help, but I'm not familiar with writing about novels on Wikipedia. Perhaps someone from WikiProject Novels could offer guidance? Michael Barera (talk) 05:06, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: (pinging participants: Theleekycauldron and Madeleinerberry) as a regular from WP:YA, the sourcing seems fine, since plot and characters section usually only ask for sourcing for direct quotes and contentious material. I edited the reception section to remove an unsourced affirmation, and the third paragraph is also potentially unsourced, so I'd recommend ditching it. Aside from that, no big worries about WP:RS. Hope this helps. Isabelle ^🔔 03:40, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Isabelle Belato: thank you so much! Since we're in the clear on that, I'll approve ALT2. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 03:47, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:DYK under Content - "If the subject is a work of fiction or a fictional character, the hook must involve the real world in some way." SL93 (talk) 06:35, 3 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There is also a verifiability tag that needs taken care of. SL93 (talk) 06:38, 3 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@SL93: i figured it wouldn't be that easy. I'll see what I can do. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 06:41, 3 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@SL93: how about

ALT5: ... that Wayward Son was described as "a delirious candy-coated romp"?

theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 06:43, 3 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I removed some of the unsourced statements in the characters' section, it honestly should be fine now—the book is the source for the statements. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 06:48, 3 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Theleekycauldron: I think that would work. As for the tag on the article, it looks like only the Sequels section would need to be referenced. SL93 (talk) 06:49, 3 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@SL93: added a citation for that theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 06:55, 3 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Approving ALT5. SL93 (talk) 07:14, 3 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

T:DYK/P7