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I see there have been a few back and forth edits regarding his death and how the article mentions both experimental treatment and the vaccine. I think it's important to be particular about the details if we're going to be including everything. For example, the timing. The "experimental treatment" (which is extremely vague, btw - what was the treatment?) was taken after the Ortiz visit, which would be early March. It says that there was "immediate improvement in one ear". Was this persistent improvement? Did it remain only one ear? There's no clarification. Then it states he got his vaccine in mid-March, which could be a week to two weeks later. We don't know what experimental treatment was taken, and we don't know how this could conflict with whatever vaccine he took. I think the framing of this section as is is leading to the vaccine being a direct cause, but it's much more ambiguous than that. Additionally, the article states "roaring back" but it doesn't seem like it worsened from what it had been prior to the vaccine (his condition throughout the article, experimental treatment aside), the wording makes it seem more like it was the straw that broke the camel's back. Thoughts? Cantgetusername (talk) 03:57, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
As I said in the edit, the idea that tinnitus is caused by covid is till controversial as well, so if it's in pleasant that vaccination may have played a role because it is uncertain then that should be removed as well. Either it should all be mentioned or none is my position. COVID has been shown to infect the ear, but hasn't shown to increase rates of SSNHL. Separately, while a signal for tinnitus has not been passively detected for vaccination, different analysis by the WHO has suggested a potential signal, and the European Medicines Agency (which is Europe's equivalent to the FDA), has identified it as a rare side effect of one vaccine. Ultimately it is all uncertain from both covid and vaccination. He could have developed tinnitus from a cold, and not covid. Ultimately this all uncertain given the state of the science at this time. This is not to say that vaccination should not occur, there are peer reviewed articles that show early treatment with corticosteroids of tinnitus after vaccination can resolve the issue in some instances. If this was the case, then it is important that this detail not be hidden, so that greater awareness can occur of both the event and treatment. I understand wikipedia is not a place for advocacy, so ultimately including this detail is just providing a more complete story, with potentially important details. 74.211.69.241 (talk) 23:23, 5 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
As I said in the edit, the idea that tinnitus is caused by covid is still controversial as well, so if it's unpleasant that vaccination may have played a role because it is uncertain then that should be removed as well. Either it should all be mentioned or none is my position. ... [See other discussion] 74.211.69.241 (talk) 23:25, 5 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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