Talk:Waves (Kanye West song)/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: MikeOwen (talk · contribs) 18:11, 24 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Lead and infobox

The main issue is that, especially in the first part of the lead, the sentences are too short and feel list-like.
A source is needed to certify that the song is Alternative R&B.
Sources are needed to certify that these are in fact the songwriters and producers (a "Credits and personnel" section may be needed).

Background and composition

I'm not sure West's wife's opinion of the song should be in this section. Maybe in "Critical reception"?
The Joey Badass reference is not needed.
Clarify better how Chance the Rapper's "Waves" ties in. Is it an old demo, a song with Chance's vocals on it, how does it impact the album's release? Maybe also use more clarified sources for this.
Furthermore, this section feels quite messy. Maybe rewrite it all

Release

All of this seems more concerned with the release of The Life of Pablo. Maybe include all this in "Background and composition" (in effect it will just be best to rewrite the previous section).

Remixes

This section would probably be best further down the article.
The two dots before 'what gospel music would sound like if Burial made it' is unnecessary
", which was distributed across the internet" is unnecessary if it was already "uploaded online"
"During the Saint Pablo Tour on October 25, 2016, a medley was performed live by West in Inglewood that consisted of the "Waves" instrumental and Cudi's vocals on "Father Stretch My Hands, Pt. 1" as a tribute to Cudi in rehab." should be in the "Live performances" section.

Explanation

This section should be in "Background and composition" section, as why West collaborated with Brown.
No need for the censor of "n-gga", see WP:NOTCENSORED and WP:BOWDLERIZE.
Forget the last sentence, not related to the song.

Critical reception

You're trying a bit too hard to find different ways to say "so-and-so gave the song a positive review". Though you should try not to use the same sentence all the time, "had great feelings" or "felt positively". Also there is nothing wrong with saying "Sheldon Pearce of SPIN wrote that the song..." rather than "It was written by Sheldon Pearce of SPIN", etc.
Colons are not needed before quoting.

Live performances

This section is best right before the chart places.
Better say "West performed the song live on multiple occasions during the Saint Pablo Tour" rather than what is currently there.
No need of mention of other set list songs.
I don't think the HipHopDX mention is needed
I don't think him dancing to his own song is needed either.
"On November 20, 2016, as part of the very same tour, he was joined on stage by Cudi in Sacramento to perform the track live, in what was a rather emotional performance – this was at the exact same concert that West controversially ranted against Jay-Z, Hillary Clinton and more." You can use this, but it comes across odd and unencyclopedic, see in bold.
Chance's live performances are not needed, as this is about the Kanye song.

Music video

"the song was actually part of the set list" not needed in bold.
The final paragraph is unnecessary

Commercial performance

Rather than "Despite West never releasing it as a single like speculation had it that he would" perhaps just write "Despite never being released as a single"
The source after "commercial performance to that of fellow album track "Ultralight Beam"" does not support the statement. Pleas euse another source or remove this phrase altogether.
Replace "peaked at number 24 in the same week as peaking on the Billboard Hot 100" with ""peaked at number 24 that same week".
Remove ""Waves" performed the same upon the album's release in the UK that it did in the US" as it is innacurate becuase it does not share the same chart positions.
Remove "This made it both the highest charting non-single release from The Life of Pablo in Canada" as, after all, only three actually charted.
Remove "standing" just use "alongside"

Charts

Fine

Certifications

Fine

Final comments and verdict

Overall, thanks a lot for massively expanding the article. However, it has various issues that need to be addressed so, unfortunately, I will have to ✗ Fail this. Nevertheless, keep up the good work and use my comments to improve the article. Renominate it when they are addressed. See you. MikeOwen ^discuss 20:19, 24 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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