Talk:Warren Spahn

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>Boston Braves who became the Milwaukee Braves after the team moved east before the 1953 season.

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News flash: Milwaukee is west of Boston. Why can't that simple geographical error be fixed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by DoctorBakerFineShoemaker (talk • contribs) 07:00, 22 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Order of events

My only problem with this article is that most of the stuff listed before his war time, actually happened after... shouldnt the article go in order of events?

Jesus, this article of one of the greatest baseball player ever SUCKS. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE steal stuff from other sites and make it at least crappy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.150.78.225 (talk) 16:40, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry we can't "steal" stuff from other websites per WP:COPYVIO This is a Secret ^account 18:03, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

With regard to this statement--

""He was the only one of major league baseball's military who earned a battlefield commission, and along with Ted Williams and Yogi Berra the most famous to see combat."

Bob Feller, also in the first tier of stars of this era, saw combat as a crewman on the battleship ALABAMA. Keacla1 (talk) 15:43, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It would be nice if someone could research which pitches Spahn threw. With the lead in about his pitching philosophy, this is a rather glaring omission. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.160.130.16 (talk) 16:32, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I grew up watching Spahnie pitch in Milwaukee. It is just like he said. He threw two pitches, a fastball and a screwball. He threw an occasional curve ball to the left handed hitter, but mostly it was the fastball and screwball. His control was amazing.

I agree this article is weighted too much in the fifties and sixties and I too would like to have read more about his early career in the fourties. Nice touch about his war service though. I'd also like to read a bit about his upbringing. If I remember correctly he was born in Saginow Michigan to Russian immigrant parents. They working class as I remember.74.95.97.13 (talk) 22:33, 2 March 2011 (UTC)dennis w[reply]

With some research I found it was Bob Buehl who was from Saginow Michigan, Burdette from Nitro West Virginia and Spahn from Buffalo New York. Of course now I see this biography includes that. I know Spahn to be a German name appearing often in those German communities settled in Russia. These folks often call themselves Russian and I have a vague memory of one of the Braves announcers (Blaine Walsch and Earl Gillespe)refrring to a Russian background for Spahn. At any rate, I correct my former statements in this area. 71.53.195.160 (talk) 14:05, 3 March 2011 (UTC)dennis w[reply]

Spahn v. Messner lawsuit

The new section on the lawsuit is impermissibly cited to primary sources and, in particular, is a description of the lawsuit based only on the interpretation of the editor of the two legal decisions cited to. It requires secondary sources to back up the interpretation. Without that, it cannot remain. Therefore, I am removing it. If Stranded Pirate - or anyone else - wants to find secondary sources to cite to, then some revised version can be reinserted assuming it otherwise complies with policies and guidelines, including weight and relevance (as examples).--Bbb23 (talk) 19:26, 4 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

So I guess you are now incharge of all things wikipedia, eh? Just because you have a problem with it does not mean that there is a problem. you are not in charge of Wikipedia and you are not in charge of me. I think it looks just fine. Stranded Pirate (talk) 04:18, 5 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

SP, I've made a specific reference to the policy that prohibits inclusion of the material. I'll quote the policy:

Any interpretation of primary source material requires a reliable secondary source for that interpretation. A primary source may only be used on Wikipedia to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that any educated person, with access to the source but without specialist knowledge, will be able to verify are supported by the source. For example, an article about a novel may cite passages to describe the plot, but any interpretation needs a secondary source. Do not analyze, synthesize, interpret, or evaluate material found in a primary source yourself; instead, refer to reliable secondary sources that do so. Do not base an entire article on primary sources, and be cautious about basing large passages on them.

Please address the policy.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:20, 5 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well, all of that stuff came straight from either the NY appellate courts opinion or the US Supreme Court's opinion in that related case. i will also try to find more sources. This case is a landmark case because it established, for the first time ever, the civil tort of false light claims and what the elements of those claims are. It was relied upon by SCOTUS as well as courts in all 50 states. To be honest, this is probably the only thing this guy is known for (unless you lived way back in the 40's while he played). That is why it is so important. False light remains the least-recognized and most controversial aspect of invasion of privacy. See BRUCE W. SANFORD, LIBEL AND PRIVACY § 11.4.1 at 567 (2d ed. 1991) ("Of Dean Prosser's four types of privacy torts, the 'false light' school has generated the most criticism because of its elusive, amorphous nature."); Diane Leenheer Zimmerman, False Light Invasion of Privacy: The Light that Failed , 64 N.Y.U.L. Rev. 364, 452 (1989) ("the wiser course may be for states to eliminate false light altogether"). In Time, Inc. v. Hill, 385 U.S. 374, 387-90, 17 L. Ed. 2d 456, 87 S. Ct. 534, the United States Supreme Court has held that the tort of false light is consistent with First Amendment freedoms provided there is a finding of actual malice, knowledge of the falsity, or of reckless disregard of the truth. See also Cantrell v. Forest City Publishing Co., 419 U.S. 245, 251-53, 42 L. Ed. 2d 419, 95 S. Ct. 465.

But I will find some other sources and add them later this evening. Hope that works. Stranded Pirate (talk) 22:23, 5 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'll wait to see what you come up with, but please remember this article is about Spahn, not about the case itself, and the case may be important to the legal world, but it's not important to Spahn. His notability does indeed rest on his career as a player. The fact that it occurred a while ago is irrelevant. Also note that what I'm telling you here is very similar to what S. Rich is telling you about the Stolen Valor Act (and that is an article about a law, unlike Spahn, which is an article about a baseball player). You can't inject your own research into Wikipedia articles.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:34, 5 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

ok. Stranded Pirate (talk) 22:44, 5 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I reverted your addition of the law article about the tort of false light. What you need to find are secondary sources - and law review articles are okay - that interpret the case. You seem to be fascinated by the tort, but this is not the article to discuss it.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:50, 5 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it is fascinating. I remember my dad talking about this guy when I was little. He saw him play in the '57 World Series when he was a newspaper sports editor. He stopped playing before I was born. But I still remember what my dad said about him and that game against the Yankees. i will work on this somemore over the next couple of days. Unlike some people, I don't sit on Wikipedia all day long. lol Stranded Pirate (talk) 17:36, 6 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It's been a couple of days, SP. I'm going to remove the material. If you return here with reliable secondary sources, let me know.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:34, 8 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Early Life

Who is Warren? Where did he come from? Who were his parents? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.5.64.78 (talk) 17:16, 8 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Screwball

On p. 390 of "The Neyer/James Guide to Pitchers" (2004), Bill James and Rob Neyer comment, "While everybody *knew* that Spahn threw a Great screwball in the latter part of his career, Spahn himself often denied throwing a screwball at all. And in fact, it seems likely that he was actually throwing the pitch that's now known as the Circle Change." They proceed to quote Spahn's description of the grip as evidence.173.79.179.107 (talk) 02:11, 13 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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