Talk:Ware Junior Senior High School

This article was nominated for deletion on 12 April 2019. The result of the discussion was keep.

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Notability

PLEASE DISCUSS NOTABILITY AT THE AFD LINKED AT THE TOP OF THE ARTICLE

Thank you. John from Idegon (talk) 18:08, 12 April 2019 (UTC) (non-admin closure)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

From WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES: "Most independently accredited degree-awarding[1] institutions and high schools have historically been kept except when zero independent sources can be found to prove that the institution actually exists." This school dates to the 19th century and has a professional baseball player among its almuni. Several sources are already cited. FloridaArmy (talk) 14:32, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@FloridaArmy and Barkeep49: Please see the contents of the grey box under WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES which says WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES should be added to the Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions, as it is an accurate statement of the results but promotes circular reasoning. What you are effectively saying here FloridaArmy is that articles about schools should be kept because articles about schools are kept. That is not a proper argument. Instead, please refer to the actual guideline, WP:NSCHOOL, which I referred to in my decline reason. That guideline clearly states that an article about a school must either meet the WP:ORG or WP:GNG criteria. At the moment this article meets neither, and therefore Barkeep49 was wrong to accept it. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 14:29, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Curb Safe Charmer If you feel that this topic is not notable you should nominate it for deletion. I obviously reached a different conclusion and stand by my accept, but respect your concerns. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 14:47, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Barkeep49: What were the grounds that led you to reach that conclusion, and which aspect of my reasoning above do you not concur with that leads you to stand by that conclusion? Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 14:51, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) I left that comment not realizing you had moved it back to draft space. I am no stranger to DRAFTIFY - and in fact suggested just yesterday. This article does not meet the DRAFTIFY standard. As an editor who holds autopatrol and new page reviewer rights (not to mention a handful of GAs) I would suggest that there is evidence which suggests I understand notability. For instance, existing sources in the article do not determine notability but rather whether there are such sources that exist - it is my judgement that they do for this article. As noted above I stand by my acceptance of this article and the proper response to your disagreeing is to have nominated it for deletion. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 15:02, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Barkeep49: Are you trying to use the WP:SOURCESEXIST argument? It is also one of the arguments to avoid. Every day is a learning day here on Wikipedia. As was brought to your attention here when you became a new page reviewer last year, the notability criteria for organisations (including schools) changed substantially in early 2018. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 15:15, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Curb Safe Charmer Please do not condescend to me. I can choose what wisdom, or not, to draw from that essay, and in this instance I'm disregarding it because this is not a deletion discussion. It is my contention this should be a deletion discussion at which point i can choose whether to participate by making appropriate deletion discussion arguments. Instead I would ask how you feel it meets all three of the first three citeria of draftify (as neither Florida or I have a COI and thus 4 does not apply). Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 15:30, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES is difficult to use as it can be cited to support either contention (to keep or delete). For instance, there are many high schools that do not meet WP:GNG or WP:ORG that are still kept based on having a source that shows they exist. It is one of the most confusing supplements I have ever encountered on Wikipedia. --CNMall41 (talk) 18:04, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.