Talk:Wanda Vázquez Garced

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Rosello's successor?

An explanation should be given as to why the acting secretary of state succeeded to the governorship, instead of Garced. GoodDay (talk) 22:26, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

In addition, if Pierluisi's installation was not valid, he was never Governor in the first place. Garced should be the 13th Governor(this is being discussed at Pierluisi's page). 331dot (talk) 21:20, 7 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Having not done any search into this, is there any evidence that Puerto Rico has a strong convention of numbering their officeholders, particularly their governors, or is this something editors are just pushing for "consistency" even though ordinals create vastly more problems and questions of exactly this type and solve virtually nothing, in my opinion. Without such evidence, I advise removing them altogether from at least PR gubernatorial pages (if not all PR articles and nearly every officeholder infobox at-large, if only that were possible). At least for these two pages, it is a far more neutral position to simply display them as governor and let the prose of the article itself do the talking than to make a Wikipedia-centric editorial opinion with 13th/14th. Therequiembellishere (talk) 21:35, 7 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It's common practice in American political offices. GoodDay (talk) 21:36, 7 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, that's not really evidence though and just an anecdotal assumption based on nothing. You're a Canadian POV-pushing very hard (on a relatively insignificant subject) without anything to substantively back it up. Therequiembellishere (talk) 21:38, 7 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'd say it's common practice in Wikipedia articles of American political offices, for sure. But is it actually common practice? Is it in anyway official practice (other than the presidency, which has a well-documented numbering)? I don't really know to be honest. But it seems particularly wrong to do so here. Therequiembellishere (talk) 21:43, 7 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Do it your way, then. GoodDay (talk) 21:42, 7 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

K. Therequiembellishere (talk) 21:43, 7 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for making those edits in my name, however while I've made clear that I prefer not using any ordinals, I was genuinely opening the door to a discussion and not setting out Dolores Umbridge's education decrees. I'm sure there's a more proper venue for this broader discussion to be had than this page but do other editors have thoughts on this topic? We can leave it for now with these pages, or PR pages at large, or really open this can of worms to political (or non-political) officeholders across Wikipedia. Therequiembellishere (talk) 21:57, 7 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Therequiembellishere: Thanks for asking if P.R. has a strong convention of numbering office holders? It's a good point and something that should be looked into. I wouldn't even know where to start looking for that sort of information, though. @GoodDay: mentioning that it's common practice in US politics seems a little weird....--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 00:50, 8 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Good questions. I searched for enumerated governors and found MANY examples of "10th governor," "11th governor," etc. I think this is probably a common practice both within Puerto Rico and in the United States when discussing Puerto Rican governors. For example: https://www.efe.com/efe/english/world/rossello-sworn-in-as-governor-of-puerto-rico/50000262-3138636 and https://books.google.com/books?id=waVjDwAAQBAJ&pg=PT185&lpg=PT185&dq=%2211th+governor+of+puerto+rico%22&source=bl&ots=xqhMV4mbPg&sig=ACfU3U1oW2OG_08U9FxgI8XAdQuytz7-aw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwihuJWimfLjAhWnd98KHdbDBFwQ6AEwBnoECAkQAQ and https://cglawpr.com/portfolio/10-24-08-entre-nosotras-lic-alfredo-castellanos/ and en espanol there are many many sources for this: https://laopinion.com/2017/01/02/ricardo-rossello-asume-gubernatura-de-puerto-rico/ and https://www.centrotampa.com/ce/list/puerto-rico/ricardo-rossellxf3-nuevo-gobernador-de-puerto-rico-tras-adelantar-la-jura-del-cargo-20170102/ and https://www.primerahora.com/noticias/gobierno-politica/nota/juranantesquegarciapadilla-749687/ and https://www.metro.pr/pr/noticias/2013/01/02/toma-posesion-alejandro-garcia-padilla.html. That last one is typical of many stories in Puerto Rican media about the decimo or tenth governor. I do not think it would be standard practice to just ignore the counting of governors.

If acting governors are not usually counted in lists of governors, then I don't think an unconstitutional de facto governor for 5 days should be counted, either. So how are temporary acting governors counted elsewhere on Wikipedia? (talk) 02:28, 8 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

FEI investigation

I am perplexed that this page somehow finds space to mention Hawaii Five-O, but not the -widely covered- investigation that the office of the Special Independent Prosecutor carried on her incumbency as Secretary of the Justice Department. Old School WWC Fan (talk) 20:39, 7 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This is certainly true! Do you have info that you're able to add? Therequiembellishere (talk) 21:46, 7 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The case was another chapter of the internal struggle between PNP factions, one that is now in full effect with the legislature and resident commissioner trying to wrestle power away from her. It was ultimately dismissed by a judge in December 2018. Information can be found easily by googling “Wanda Vázquez + FEI”, but the San Juan Daily Star and Caribbean Business covered it in English. Old School WWC Fan (talk) 02:54, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

13th or 14th governor?

With the Supreme Court of Puerto Rico declaring Pedro Pierluisi's swearing in unconstitutional, I think it's clear that Pierluisi cannot count as the 13th governor. I and a few other editors have tried to make this change, but someone repeatedly reverted it. As far as I can tell this is a unique situation but the best comparison is an acting governor. We don't usually count an acting governor, so neither should a governor whose term is ruled to be invalid. This makes Wanda Vázquez Garced the 13th governor. What do you guys think? It might be difficult to find a reliable source for this. Johndavies837 (talk) 22:23, 7 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This discussion is budding up above. Therequiembellishere (talk) 22:46, 7 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Upon reflection, I agree an illegal governor should not be counted in the list of governors, since he was never legally a governor. It all comes down to how you define the word governor. One way to potentially address this would be to put an asterisk at the top of the list of governors, and clarify that by governor we mean constitutionally valid governors. Aroundthewayboy (talk) 02:09, 8 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

In the end it was decided to leave the numbering out. However, no one has made the same change on each governor's respective first lady, so there's that. I have a deep aversion to politics and can barely touch those articles. But sooner or later, someone should remove the numbering off the first ladies too --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 02:24, 29 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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