Talk:Wally West

This article was previously named Flash (Wally West) before it was moved to its current title. Old discussion from before the move is archived at Talk:Wally West/Flash (Wally West).

Merge with The Flash?

What's the difference between this page and The Flash?--Htmlism 15:17, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

More than one Flash which needs their own article. Brian Boru is awesome 15:29, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

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The Flash does not wear a "uniform"

The Flashes do not to wear "uniforms." The Green Lanterns, Blackhawks and Darkstars wear uniforms. The Flashes wear costumes. That should be fixed in the article for the sake of accuracy. Darin Wagner 19:07, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Darin, this is Wikipedia: be bold. I'm making this change, but next time, feel free to change the article yourself and explain it. Anyway, to clarify, a uniform is worn by members of a group to indicate group membership and/or role. The whole point is to make people look the same. Most super-hero costumes, including the Flashes, are designed to stand out individually. While designs have been handed down to successors, there's no Flash group made up of characters wearing similar outfits. --Kelson 19:45, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Understood. be bold. Got it. Darin Wagner 01:59, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

No, it is indeed a uniform. The Flash generally doesn't go into action wearing anything else (or out of uniform, that is). All members of the Flash family wear a version of it, and when Barry died and Wally took up his mantle, he wore the same suit, making it a symbol of rank or position. If you look at the Lanterns, they also wear uniforms that vary, and not just because of biological differences. None of the human Green Lanterns wears exactly the same design. Finally, although uniforms are generally thought of as belonging to soldiers and law enforcers, they are not so limited. The Human Torch wears a uniform, and it is so called even when it differs greatly from what the rest of the Fantastic Four wear, as it did when he wore red and gold to pay tribute to the original Human Torch. While costumes are worn by those pretending to be something they're not, That doesn't really describe the superhero uniform. And while Spider-Man has often called his suit a costume, that isn't really true anymore, not with so many other heroes wearing spider emblems. More and more comics treat superheroes as holders of rank who must pass on their legacies, as happened when X-23 replaced Wolverine (who imho didn't need replacing- he was always such a loner, he was who he was, and unlike Captain America, didn't have hordes of fans waiting to get themselves killed taking up his "mantle"). So it could be argued that all superheros are soldiers of a sort. They train to go to war, earn upgrades to rank, and advance. Even when their garb is wholly unique, it identifies them as law enforcement. What they wear is called a uniform, even when you can't describe it as uniform. Thetrellan (talk) 18:27, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

Updates

Someone needs to update Wally as of The Flash #231. Teen Titan 2:43 18 August 2007

JLU section

Has some word weaseling. Obviously written by someone who dislikes the portrayal of Wally in the series. I'm going to make it less biased. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.210.185.80 (talk) 17:49, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Other Media Justice League/JL Unlimited section

There is quite a bit of info that is probably more appropriate under the Flash page and not the Wally West page. Shouldn't this be more of a Wally West as Wally West section instead of a Wally West as the Flash section? I added a couple of paragraphs where Wally appears without the Flash costume. Most of the rest is duplicated from the Flash/Other media page, and could probably be deleted or at least summarized.18:12, 6 March 2008 (UTC)~RZ 2/6/08

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Plunder edit.

under the section "Rogues", it said that Plunder was a mirror universe counterpart of Detective "Jared Morillo". this is false information. i just read the storyline where they introduce the two detectives yesterday, and i assure you, Plunder is Fred Chyre, the older of the two. thank you. Teen Titan (talk) 06:57, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

This article needs a complete rewrite

This article is entirely in-universe and needs a complete re-write - anyone got any suggestions where we can start - I'm thinking of the Captain Marvel article as the model we should be following.... --Cameron Scott (talk) 14:06, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

I think we might want to keep Captain Marvel (DC Comics) in mind but there are a lot of steps between here and there. I've done a quick run through updating and the like. Steps I'd recommend:

• Split of "In other media" - it is a big enough section to standalone and this article is already pretty large.

• Start a publication history, not just focusing on the specific issues he has appeared in but character creation and development. This is the area that really needs work, what was the thinking in introducing him, why the shift to the Flash, what about his return or the plans for his appearance in The Flash: Rebirth? This is one of the most important areas of the article and it is missing. If I came here looking for answers to that I'd be none the wiser.

• Heavily reference things: statements (especially in the powers section) and other things like important events in the FCB.

• Try trimming the FCB back and also giving it a more out-of-universe spin.

That will be enough to get it well on its way to B-class and set it up well for the push on to FA. (Emperor (talk) 17:28, 14 October 2008 (UTC))

An early - primary? - step should be for someone to get hold of the TwoMorrows Publishing book THE FLASH COMPANION. I suspect that that tome ought to become the main source for this (and the other Flashes') article. Mind you, I haven't actually read it yet, but based on previous experience, this book will be fantastic, and incredibly helpful. :o) ntnon (talk) 23:02, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

The OP had/has a great idea. Publication and Character history should be separate. Can someone clean this mess up?! (JoeLoeb (talk) 02:27, 12 May 2009 (UTC))

I just edited an awkward sentence or two, which I then had to re-edit because a few verbs that I put in didn't match the tense of the rest of the paragraph...and I don't think the paragraph should really be there at all. I havn't really read many comic books about the Flash so I may be wrong, but some of the information here is a bit irrelevant in regards to the character as a whole. I don't need to know that some battles with foes were difficult, or a big saga about how Wally's wealth. Maybe all the minor changes the character had gone through between the late '80s and early '90s could even be reduced to one paragraph?68.44.97.166 (talk) 21:05, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

I laughed at 'West reprised his role as Kid Flash...' 90.219.159.113 (talk) 20:14, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Chyre and Morillo

Fred Chyre and Jared Morillo are missing from the Supporting Characters section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.202.239.2 (talk) 15:55, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Wally's "New" Costume

It's not really new is it? It's the same costume he wore during Grant Morrison's run on JLA. Look in JLA Secret Files & Origins #1. Wally is wearing the dark red metallic looking uniform with blank white eyes. 129.139.1.68 (talk) 16:48, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

I know this is old, but there are other changes. First, I'd like to mention the fact that, regardless of how the costume looked in JLA, the his costume for nearly all of volume 2 was the same color as Barry's. It is also that way to start The Flash: Rebirth. Secondly, there are numerous other changes. The mask ends in a flat edge, the belt no longer connects under the belly button, the logo is only a two section lightning bolt (instead of 3) and the gold parts (belt, logo, wristbands) are metallic and raised as opposed to flush with the costume. Color and eyes aside, there are several other changes that distinguish this costume from his previous costumes. 67.184.154.124 (talk) 20:22, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Wally West as Kid Lantern?

Now I'm certainly not a Flash authority but whoever put him forward as Kid Lantern (and a member of the GL Corps) should better come up with a better source than the ComicVine site, where no proper source for Wally being Kid Lantern is mentioned either... I do feel tempted to delete it... Not before I did some research of my own that is. Cheers — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wsgo (talk • contribs) 20:35, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Right, this Kid Lantern stuff refers to a Flash/GL mini series from 2000 which I seem to remember; not really sure about the overall importance of this TEMPORARY identity. Still, I changed the source to the wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Green_Lanterns#Miscellaneous Green Lanterns) and deleted membership in the GLC, primarily because he never really acted as a Corps member. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wsgo (talk • contribs) 20:54, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

"Second only to Barry"?

"Barry Allen as the source of the Speed Force has shown that Wally is second only to Barry" It seems that this is not objective at all,Barry was the source of the SF pre-flashpoint too,but nothing (by feats and even by Barry's words) sugest Barry was "faster" or "better" than Wally.So until we see feats,if we're going to compare Wally pre-FP to Barry post-FP feats is the only way we can go by,statements are of no use in this situation,i will edit this and remove the implication that Wally is second to Barry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.122.46.13 (talk) 19:06, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

Assessment comment

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Wally West/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

== My downgrading == I downgraded the article from "B" to "Start". It met all of the criteria for "B" except for: "1. It is suitably referenced, and all major points are appropriately cited." There were only 2 citations for the entire article before I started adding some.--Rockfang (talk) 12:55, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Last edited at 12:55, 23 June 2008 (UTC). Substituted at 10:10, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

TV Wally West should be under which article?

Thanks to DC Rebirth, technically this Wally West never showed up in the Flash TV show, but instead it is the Wally West now known as Wally West II. Should we removed all reference to it in this article and move to Wally West II? George Leung (talk) 23:09, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Merger proposal

I think Wally West II should be merged back into the original Wally West article.

Per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (comics), roman numerals should never be used in a title unless it's actually used in the character's name, which isn't the case here.

The second Wally West is also a relatively new character, and should be able to fit in the main article.

I think it's also original research having the CW character be listed under the second Wally West's article, when in the show he's meant to be the Wally West. DrBat (talk) 14:32, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

No merge -- They are separate characters. Gman124 (talk) 14:28, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

Rebirth Flash costume

I would like for Wikipedia to update Wally Wests image picture into his current Rebirth Flash suit Gokuwarrior (talk) 19:33, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

"The phrase Fastest Man Alive was first applied to Wally, after he first took on the mantle of his mentor.[2]"

This sentence and the article it references is completely wrong. Want proof? I would would link the images but I am only a guest and do not have a wikipedia account. Please google either "Flash Golden Age Comic Book Covers" or "Flash Silver Age Comic Book Covers". The Silver Age Flash first appeared in "Showcase" comics so look for that. On the cover of both they say "Fastest Man Alive". Also, the comic captions/narrator within the stories of these men, newspaper headlines within the stories, and many other things within these stories refer to Barry Allen and Jay Garrick as :the Fastest Man Alive." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.245.65.132 (talk) 02:13, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

I concur. I first came across the phrase "fastest man alive" when I was 11 in 1972 in the pages of the Flash, more than a decade before Wally West's succession. Thetrellan (talk) 04:38, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Wally has been cut off from the speed force before.

Strictly speaking, I know that crossovers like Avengers vs. the JLA aren't cannon. But it was written as if it were, by creators intimately familiar with both Marvel and DC continuity. And as far as I know, it presents the only example of Wally West traveling outside of the DC multiverse. And the Marvel Universe has no speed force. He was powerless. I would like someone more intimately familiar with Wally West Flash lore to either tell me how I'm wrong, or else qualify the entry with something like "Wally can't be cut off from the speed force where the speed force exists" or "attempts to block his access to the speed force don't work".Thetrellan (talk) 18:53, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

Mobius Chair

Isn't it time that this article acknowledges the events surrounding Wally sitting in the Mobius Chair?

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Wally will be main Flash again

Hi. The character is headlining the Flash title again since #772, and he's back to his old costume since he is main Flash now. Should we change the infobox's image?? I think he should appear in his main Flash suit in the infobox like before. Best regards. Miaow 12:12, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Merge from Linda Park (comics)

Linda Park (comics) seems to have no stand-alone notability. I suggest merging this here, just like the likely outcome of ongoing Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Irey West. Since merge discussions have low visibility, I'll ping participants of that AfD: @TTN, Rhino131, Susmuffin, and Darkknight2149: _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:56, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

• Merge - Makes sense to merge it if there are no sources to establish independent notability. TTN (talk) 15:09, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
• Merge: I did not find anything usable. There were a few articles on the actresses who played her in the Arrowverse shows and a few clickbait articles about romance in comics, however. ―Susmuffin ^Talk 16:43, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

Merge: Nothing was rather very useful for that article. ☭MasterWolf-Æthelwulf☭ (=^._.^= ∫) 18:17, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

  Y Merger complete. Most of the content at the other article was plot, so very little was moved over. No hard feelings if someone wants to transfer more Joyous! | Talk 20:35, 4 March 2023 (UTC)