Talk:Wally Argus

	Biography portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
	Sports portal This article is supported by the sports and games work group.

New Zealand Low‑importance

	New Zealand portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject New Zealand, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of New Zealand and New Zealand-related topics on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.New ZealandWikipedia:WikiProject New ZealandTemplate:WikiProject New ZealandNew Zealand articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Rugby union Mid‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Rugby union, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of rugby union on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Rugby unionWikipedia:WikiProject Rugby unionTemplate:WikiProject Rugby unionrugby union articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Succession box – oldest living All Black

@DerbyCountyinNZ: has twice removed the succession box from this page for the "Oldest living All Black", citing WP:SBSGUIDE. I've looked at that guideline and can't see where in there the aforesaid succession box is disallowed. Obviously I don't want to get into an edit war, so am bringing it here for discussion. Here is the succession box in question:

Records
Preceded by Bob Scott	Oldest living All Black 16 November 2012 – 21 October 2016	Succeeded by Ron Elvidge

The chain of succession boxes for the oldest living All Black is currently complete, apart from the one for Argus, which has been removed. I also note that there are other similar succession boxes in use, such as for the "Oldest living Test cricketer".

Thoughts please? Paora (talk) 05:05, 22 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

As per Wikipedia talk:WikiProject_World's Oldest People/Archive 7#RfC: Should longevity biographies have succession boxes succession boxes are not appropriate for "oldest person" positions. Such positions are not won, earned, awarded or in any other way officially designated. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 05:13, 22 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing there that convinces me that the succession box here should be removed. It looks like there was a fairly even split of opinions. It's interesting to note that all of the reporting around Argus's death noted, usually in the headline, that he was the oldest living All Black. Unlike the case of the longevity succession boxes discussed in the above RfC, in this case there is a relationshiop between the subjects – they were all All Blacks. Paora (talk) 10:52, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

As there is no "title" Oldest living All Black, there appears no justification for the use of a succession box. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 17:18, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]