Talk:Waiting for "Superman"

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Inaccuracies?

There are three paragraphs (two substantial) about inaccuracies in the film. Yet there is only one actual inaccuracy cited. (and even this is debatable. It is common to use proficiency as a measure of how many students are reading at grade level. I've seen numerous public school teachers do the same).

We should replace these paragraphs with a catalog of the inaccuracies, and a statement that "supporters of public education and unions have lambasted the movie". (we already have plenty of cites, but we need more inaccuracies. In general, we should avoid calling anything inaccurate unless we can make a statement: Movie said X, but this is contradicted by Y. That is also much more useful to readers of the article, who are probably reading the section about inaccuracies specifically looking for statements in this format.)

If these paragraphs are also supposed to be about "educational reception", then we are missing the (easily located) quotes from educators who have praised the movie. I'll leave this here for comments before doing anything. 72.69.159.191 (talk) 23:23, 5 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Graph located under "Educational reception and allegations of inaccuracy"

The graph is horrific and very misleading. It makes it look as thought the schools with no significant difference far outnumber the other two categories, when in fact each of the 3 "Average" scores should be located at the same level. Also the scaling numbers on the side of the graph do not correspond AT ALL to the percentages displayed above each of the columns.

If someone wants to try to change this, please do. I don't currently have time for another week and a half, by which time I'll have probably forgotten I was going to do it.

Also, I'm not entirely sure I know how to edit image files on Wikipedia. Is it done the same way as the text? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmpatison (talk • contribs) 02:12, 3 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Liberal Bias

The enormous amount of text devoted to criticism in this article is one of the most egregious examples of liberal bias in Wikipedia. Compare with the article Race to Nowhere, which has very minimal text devoted to criticism. --Westwind273 (talk) 19:59, 19 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

As you well know, you can edit the text of Wikipedia articles yourself. Failing that you can write about actionable changes here on the talk page. Comparative assessments, while sometimes useful are not going to bring about changes on their own. My advice would be to edit the text first per this policy, and then discuss the text and related sources here on the talk page if you are reverted for some reason. Speculations as to the political orientation of the editors who wrote the article amount to personal criticisms and misuse of the talk page as forum for your opinions. Edaham (talk) 00:34, 23 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

OK, first of all, starting off a comment with "As you well know" does not assume good intention, as per Wikipedia policy. Secondly, you are way overboard in saying that any mention of liberal bias in the talk pages is automatically a misuse of the talk pages. That is an extreme position that can in fact be a cause for the perpetuation of liberal bias in articles. In sum, you are way out of bounds here. I think you have an ax to grind against me or against those who point out liberal bias in Wikipedia, and this is causing you to take extreme positions and promote insanely draconian enforcement of Wikipedia guidelines. --Westwind273 (talk) 13:51, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Synopsis

The synopsis section is almost unreadable because of grammatical errors and purple writing. I haven't seen this movie but I highly suggest someone rewrite it completely or at least give it a huge facelift. Laikedits (talk) 22:40, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I took an axe to it since it was so incomprehensible, but it's now brief as a result, and I can't fill in gaps since I haven't seen the film. I encourage any other brave editors to add to it, preferably with citations. Worth noting that the section was completely unchanged since it was first written in 2010. Laikedits (talk) 22:54, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The errors seem to be the result of recent sabotage. There certainly wasn't anything like the synopsis you deleted in the older versions of the article that I looked at. My guess is that somebody ran the synopsis through a machine translation program twice and replaced the section with the result. Or something similar.

At any rate, I've restored the synopsis to the way it was before the sabotage. Feel free to incorporate any of your text into the article if you think it is appropriate. Will Orrick (talk) 00:28, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]