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Requested move 9 September 2018

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. No consensus for move. (non-admin closure) –Ammarpad (talk) 06:52, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Waging War: The Clash Between Presidents and Congress, 1776 to ISIS → Waging War (book) – Per WP:SUBTITLE, as only short subtitles may be used for disambiguation. 142.160.89.97 (talk) 00:32, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Hhkohh (talk) 01:02, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Seems a common name Hhkohh (talk) 01:02, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Hhkohh: How do you reconcile your position with our book-specific guideline, WP:SUBTITLE, which states:

Usually, a Wikipedia article on a book (or other medium, such as a movie, TV special or video game) does not include its subtitle in the Wikipedia page name, per WP:CONCISE. The only exception to that is short article titles, for disambiguation purposes.

142.160.89.97 (talk) 01:07, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

WP:SUBTITLE is not a policy, just a guideline, see also WP:COMMONNAME and other related policy Hhkohh (talk) 09:30, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support I see no issue with the requested move, and it abides by the given guideline. -- Alex^TW 03:38, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per WP:NATURALDIS. I don't see how shortening the title helps here. --Gonnym (talk) 10:09, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

How do you reconcile your position with WP:SUBTITLE, which is explicit in laying out how to handle long subtitles? 142.160.89.97 (talk) 18:32, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I don't. Yours is a guideline, mine is a policy. Also, please stop asking that question. If the people who wrote those guidelines didn't care to make sure there are no conflicting issues, I sure as hell won't start that discussion on a move request for a 1 sentence article. --Gonnym (talk) 23:03, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose cited guideline does not apply as disambiguation and long title are clearly beneficial to readers here, and in cases without (book) WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT works for short titles. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:30, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose natural disambiguation works here, and I bet this book is often referred to including the subtitle. Plus there are likely to be other notable books with the same baseline title. —innotata 05:17, 17 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.