Talk:WZRD (band)

Merger?

For now this should be a subsection under the WZRD album. Kid Cudi has said that he is forming a band with Dot Da Genius called WZRD, but he is also forming another side project with Chip Tha Ripper, before he creates Man On the Moon 3. Since he is forming another side project and still continuing his solo career, we don't know how serious he is about keeping the band. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kris1250 (talk • contribs)

With the AFD closed as no consensus it seems appropriate for discussion of merging this article to continue. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:39, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

The articles should not be merged. At a Q&A with Joe La Puma from Complex Magazine when asked about a follow up to WZRD, Cudi confirmed that they are already recording new music with the hopes of releasing it in the coming months. “I made a new record the other day that’s really phenomenal” said Cudi as Dot added “Expect greatness”. http://datnewcudi.com/2012/02/14/kid-cudi-dot-da-genius-host-wzrd-listening-session-in-la/ 1Sire (talk) 14:15, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Genre

This isn't even a rock band. Why is it labeled experimental rock when it's basic pop and autotuned r&b with guitars? CerpinTaxt (talk) 15:17, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

There is no autotune, their album charted on the US Rock and Alternative Albums, they incorporate drums, bass guitar and what doesn't have elements of pop music these days? 1Sire (talk) 16:55, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

There is, in fact, auto tune. And anything even remotely rock sounding can chart on both charts. It is not, in fact, experimental rock. Or alternative rock. Or Lo-Fi. CerpinTaxt (talk) 19:29, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Oh really? where have u heard or read that the album features autotune? and instead of just changing the genres why don't you find some references to back it up. I don't mind calling it Pop rock or electro hop, just how bout some sites or critics that say the same. 1Sire (talk) 20:19, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Putting the album through music editing suites shows that it clearly uses AutoTune. Also, perfect pitch and just working in the industry in general. Next point: The album convenes to the standards of pop rock more than alternative rock (though you could lump it in alternative rock, but not as a primary genre). Certainly not experimental rock, and certainly not Lo-Fi (there's nothing remotely low in fidelity about the record). In terms of using critics or reviews for genre: it's been called psychedelic (it's not) to prog (it's not) to hip hop (it's not, seeing as there's no real "rapping", though it does have rock-influenced hip hop beats). Repeat: It goes along with rock-tinged pop/r&b, using, say, Wikipedia entries based on said genres, as well as years of studying the genre and sub-genres of rock. Look at Lil Wayne's Rebirth album. It's in a similar vein. Though it features some rapping, it follows the same idea as WZRD: r&b/hip hop influenced pop/rock music. CerpinTaxt (talk) 21:21, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

How can you compare WZRD to Rebirth in terms of the music?! Rebirth has no real guitar in it. The only song close to the hip-hop/r&b influence is Upper Room, and Teleport 2 Me, Jamie. Have you heard High off life and Live and Learn , Brake etc? Read ANY impartial review or even just search rebirth wzrd into Google and you will learn it is NOTHING like this album. High Off life and Where Did You Sleep Last Night, and Live and Learn are what I would class as grunge rock also.

Also, CerpinTaxt you seem to sound as if you want to be impartial yourself, sounding as if you hate the album.

I agree with 1Sire.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.144.19.214 (talk) 18:01, 23 April 2012 (UTC) 

It's generally the same idea. Put this album next to any indie, grunge (or even post-grunge) album or experimental rock record and there's no resemblance whatsoever. I'm being completely impartial here, and as an expert on the subject. Only in marketing and PR is it referred to as such genres, but those are one-sided, non-reliable sources. It's pop rock and electro hop. Get yourself an account, get some non-PR generated sources, and then we'll talk. CerpinTaxt (talk) 15:22, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

How is this album pop rock? Its alternative rock, only the last 2 songs on the album could possibly be considered Pop Rock in any fashion.Netherwood (talk) 16:25, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Does not conform to the standards of alternative rock set over, say, two and a half decades.CerpinTaxt (talk) 16:05, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

^^^ Please explain further how it doesn't. i would love to see a better explanation and facts to why its pop rock.  Its alternative rock and I'm changing it back to that.  Netherwood (talk) 00:03, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Dude, check the above conversation. Sure, it uses guitars here and there, but mostly synths and electronic elements overpower the pop-driven music. Look at alternative rock over the past two-and-a-half decades. It has pop elements, but is driven primarily by acoustic/electric (non-electronic) instruments. It's based on pop song structures using conventional/modern pop-song instruments and songwriting standards. Look at the list of alternative rock groups on Wikipedia. You can't compare WZRD to any of the listed bands. Sorry. Pop rock. Changing it back. Got a problem? State your case. CerpinTaxt (talk) 18:13, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

then... going back to the discussion above... 1."Putting the album through music editing suites shows that it clearly uses AutoTune. Also, perfect pitch and just working in the industry in general". --- Kin Cudi has been singing on all of the albums hes released (man on the moon 1 and 2) hes singing has always been off on alot of his albums. theres no autotune on this album.

2 "Next point: The album convenes to the standards of pop rock more than alternative rock (though you could lump it in alternative rock, but not as a primary genre). Certainly not experimental rock, and certainly not Lo-Fi (there's nothing remotely low in fidelity about the record)" i agree with the fact that its not Prog or lo-fi but seriously its not a pop rock album, like i said before only the last 2 songs truly could count as Pop rock - "Dr. Pill" and "Upper Room" and even then on Dr.Pill that is not a synth, its that a distorted guitar consantly playing with Cudi singing over it. and Upper room is a Hip hop influenced song. and on that note a lot of the songs ( 8 out of 11) on the album use guitar thought the whole song specifically "The Arrival", "High on life" , "love hard" , "Live and learn" , "break" , "Where did you sleep last night" , "Efflictim" and "Dr. Pill" all have Guitar and it is very prominent throughout the songs. the other 3 are hip hop or R/B influenced. also look at the Instrument list Kid Cudi – lead vocals, guitars, drums (2010–present) Dot da Genius – drums, bass guitar, keyboards, piano, percussion (2010–present) there no synths on the album unless you want to count that keyboard played by Dot da Genius

3. "Look at the list of alternative rock groups on Wikipedia. You can't compare WZRD to any of the listed bands."ummm.... so i cant compare any of the songs on wzrd or more specifically the 8 guitar driven songs above to songs like Lonely Boy by The Black Keys, Easy to crash or Long Time by Cake, In between by Linkin Park, Zero by The Yeah Yeahs, Amsterdam by Peter Bjorn and John, You lost Me or Infinity Guitars By Sleigh Bells, I Think I'm Paranoid or Vow by Garbage, The fool By Neutral Milk Hotel, Cold Love or 21st Century Crooner By Ghinzu or Stop and Stare By OneRepublic all these bands that fall under Alternative rock and all of those songs have a good amount of electronics or synths and/or fall under conventional pop standards with pop writing "You can't compare WZRD to any of the listed bands." - I can't even compare any of the bands I listed to each other either nor could i compare Maroon 5 to Paramore or God Speed You Black Emperor to depeche mode or Portishead to The White Stripes. Again All fit under alternative rock

and plus on the page its self for Characteristics of Alternative rock on Wikipedia - "The name "alternative rock" essentially serves as an umbrella term for underground music that has emerged in the wake of punk rock since the mid-1980s.[14] Throughout much of its history, alternative rock has been largely defined by its rejection of the commercialism of mainstream culture, although this could be contested ever since some of the major alternative artists have achieved mainstream success or co-opted with the major labels from the 1990s onwards (especially since the new millennium and beyond). Alternative bands during the 1980s generally played in small clubs, recorded for indie labels, and spread their popularity through word of mouth.[15] As such, there is no set musical style for alternative rock as a whole, although The New York Times in 1989 asserted that the genre is "guitar music first of all, with guitars that blast out power chords, pick out chiming riffs, buzz with fuzztone and squeal in feedback."[16] Sounds range from the gloomy soundscapes of gothic rock to the jangling guitars of indie pop to the dirty guitars of grunge to the '60s/'70s revivalism of Britpop. More often than in other rock-styles since the mainstreaming of rock music during the 1970s, alternative rock lyrics tend to address topics of social concern, such as drug use, depression, and environmentalism.[15] This approach to lyrics developed as a reflection of the social and economic strains in the United States and United Kingdom of the 1980s and early 1990s.[17]" Sure Wzrd is not under ground as Kid Cudi is pretty mainstream, but aside from that it follows what Wikipedia would describe as Alternative Rock lyrics on the album fit under some of those topics and guitar is prominent on 8 of the songs . all the bands I listed fit under Alternative rock, and some fall under multiple genres, bands such as Maroon 5 and Fall Out Boy are pop rock and alternative rock. so I really, Really don't see your point at all on just saying its Pop rock, I honestly don't. Its certainly, not indie (seeing how Cudi is mainstream) Experimental, lo-fi, or grunge but it definitively can fit under Alternative rock Netherwood (talk) 04:12, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

1) Wrong, it's auto-tuned. Sorry. I'm right on this one. I'll eventually upload images off-site if this will help you.

2) Synths and electronic elements are prominently featured on the album, mostly overpowering stringed elements.

3) Those comparisons make no god damn sense. Whatever.

Here's the deal. Let's compromise. I strongly feel it's pop rock (as do reviewers, other like artists/musicians, etc.). But it can be both pop-rock AND alternative rock. Right? WZRD is a pop rock/alternative rock group? Sort of how Green Day is still lumped into the PUNK category with no trace of punk rock in their music at all. I'd gladly make the changes CerpinTaxt (talk) 20:25, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

1) Ok. I would love to see the images, Ill take your word for the auto tune when i see them.

2) "Those comparisons make no god damn sense. Whatever." - All the songs and bands were listed under alternative rock groups. You did say to go look at them and try to compare them.

3) Yes I'm ok with Compromising on the genre. By the way I wasn't trying to come off as a troll or jerk in my changes of the genre, I'm sure others felt the way I do about it being alternative rock. but Yea I'm completely Ok with compromising.Netherwood (talk) 21:56, 9 August 2012 (UTC)