Talk:WKBS-TV (Philadelphia)

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The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that a Philadelphia TV station shut down because of a family feud?

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Trivial?

I wouldn't call the reference to the game "trivial"; there'a Wiki article on the Kickoff Classic, and this was the first one. Also, it was rather unusual 20+ years ago for a college football game to be played in August (in fact, I think this was the first-ever major college game to be played before September 1), so I thought the article could reflect that. (And remember: just because you consider something "trivial" doesn't mean the rest of us do.) RMc 20:15, 24 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As far as WKBS-TV goes, it is a trivial reference. Previously, someone attempted to add the game's outcome and I deleted those lines as well. The quote from the former general manager already mentions the participants of the game, and since this happened over 23 years ago, that should be enough. Who cares if it was the first Kickoff Classic, or what the final score was? That information should be in the Kickoff Classic page and not here. Rollosmokes 05:11, 25 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but I disagree. Let's not split hairs, OK? RMc 22:35, 28 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I saw it again...I removed it again. Trivial, trivial, trivial for this article. Rollosmokes 08:32, 29 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Whoever keeps adding it, STOP!!! We're just going to remove it over and over again until you do stop. -- M (^speak/_spoken) 15:41, 9 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Request for comment

Obviously I'm getting nowhere (and not quickly) with Mr Rollosmokes.RMc 17:50, 8 December 2006 (UTC) Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Media, art and literature[reply]

Let it end here. Please.

By reverting my edits, you're basically saying that's it's OK for Rollosomokes to throw a tantrum because someone dared touch his precious page. It sends a bad signal, yes? All right. Let it end here. RMc 16:55, 9 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not to imply that it's OK for anyone to throw tantrums over this; however, I do agree that the specifics of what the football game was about is trivial. John 12:43, 11 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The last word on the nine words

Let me see if I have this straight. 1) I add nine words to the WKBS-TV page; 2) Rollosmokes has a hairy conniption fit, insulting me in the process (a common reaction for this guy when someone dares edit "his" pages)); 3) I respond in kind, and 4) I get banned for "personal attacks"!

Boy, that's rich. Are you guys all on the same bowling team or something?

This has gone well beyong the WKBS-TV page; there's principle involved here, which I why I keep pursuing it.

I'm going to edit WKBS-TV one last time. The admins have a choice to make:

1) Leave it alone, or 2) Revert it yet again, which sends the message that if a user jumps up and down and waves his arms (and has the right friends), he can get his way.

Your choice, fellas. RMc 11:35, 11 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

While not supporting anyone's uncivil behavior, I think the fact that the football game was the first Kickoff Classic might actually be worth at least a mention and a link (seems I'd be in the minority here. though). If it had been mentioned when the paragraph was first written, it probably would still be there, but because it got added after someone else had earlier added even more trivial information (like the outcome of the game--rightfully deleted), it seems there was a certain prejudice against including any info about the game. I'm not going to edit the page (as I really couldn't care less whether it is in the page or not), but it seems to me that a good compromise would have been just to leave the words "(the first Kickoff Classic)" and delete the reference to Giants Stadium, since that is mentioned in the Kickoff Classic article. DHowell 20:54, 11 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That would be fine. RMc 22:09, 11 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No matter what way you choose to slice it, it's still a trivial reference for WKBS-TV. This happened nearly a quarter-century ago. Who cares if it was the first Kickoff Classic game? Who cares about the outcome? Really, who is going to ask a Trivial Pursuit-like question about it in the near future?

No one. So, it should stay gone and be kept within the Kickoff Classic, Giants Stadium, Pennsylvania State University, and University of Nebraska-Lincoln pages -- but not WKBS-TV. Rollosmokes 06:46, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Boy, you just won't let it go, will you? "I am the king of the WKBS-TV page! Bow before me, pigs!" Pathetic. RMc 12:35, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

DHowell's proposal seems just fine to me. I agree the reference may still be trivial, but at least this brief mention isn't cluttering the article. No reason it can't be included. Firsfron of Ronchester 20:24, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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BetacommandBot (talk) 03:13, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

To move or not to move?

WKBS-TV's official city of license was Burlington, New Jersey, so shouldn't the title of the article be WKBS-TV (Burlington, NJ)? I'm not going to move the article, I will leave it up to everyone else, if most agree with me, then it should be moved, if not, it should stay put. John (talk)

GA Review

Procedural closure; reviewer inactive. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 01:13, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Reviewer: Red-tailed hawk (talk · contribs) 04:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take a look through this one. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 04:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Red-tailed hawk: Are you still reviewing? CosXZ (talk) 15:54, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Red-tailed hawk: One more reminder — it's now been two months since you opened this review. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 18:50, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's been two weeks since Red-tailed hawks previous reminder they have not edited since April 9th and are on a wikibreak. Is it time for someone else to take over? Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 01:00, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm closing this review as inactive, and will adjust the {{GA nominee}} template on the talk page so the article can keep its place in the queue by age. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 01:11, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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GA Review

Passed. ZKang123 (talk) 14:24, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Nominator: Sammi Brie (talk · contribs) 04:51, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: ZKang123 (talk · contribs) 13:16, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Will pick this up.--ZKang123 (talk) 13:16, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Images

The only image used here is a fair use logo of the channel to represent the article.

Copyedits

Earwig don't show any close paraphrasing issues.

Lead

within Philadelphia city limits, in South Philadelphia and the Roxborough tower farm, respectively. – might suggest the use of an en-dash between "city limits" and "South Philadeplhia", and remove comma before "respectively".
and—at one point in its history—a 10 p.m. local newscast. – and briefly a 10 p.m. local newscast.
it improved its fortunes – its fortunes improved
led to the decision in 1982 to place all of the company's stations on the market. – this phrase is worded rather awkwardly. Maybe reword as resulted in the decision to put all company stations on the market in 1982?
Similarly for leading the liquidating firm to decide that it was in its shareholders' best interests to shut the station down and sell it for parts. – prompted the liquidating firm to close the station and sell it for parts in the shareholders' best interests.
In the years that followed – In the years following

More comments to come.--ZKang123 (talk) 12:21, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kaiser comes to Philadelphia

I might change the header to something else in my view, since it also concerns the channel's early years.
Explain the first earlier mention of FCC
originating at – originating from
later to have a lengthy career in TV news in Washington, D.C. – I think this could be better rephrased
In April, a third of the station's 21-person news department was dismissed – might just say seven people, or seven out of twenty-one, were dismissed

Field ownership

Kaiser Broadcasting sold a minority 22.5 percent stake in its holdings (excluding KBSC-TV in Los Angeles and Kaiser's radio stations) was sold to Field Communications on May 26, 1972, concurrent with Kaiser purchasing a majority 77.5 percent stake in Field's Chicago station, WFLD-TV. – this sentence is worded rather awkwardly especially with "...sold a minority... was sold...". I guess the "was sold" is a stray phrase typo.
the competition in the independent station market in Philadelphia was starting to tilt toward channel 29 – something about this sentence (particularly the phrase "competition... tilt towards") is rather unencyclopedic.

Disposition

No issues for the Closure section
WPHL-TV, which had been running third among the independents as WTAF and WKBS fought for first and second – I felt the phrase "as WTAF and WKBS fought for first and second" a little unnecessary to rehash here
had gained two new television stations – "new" is a bit unnecessary here.
The battle to replace WKBS on channel 48 in Burlington, New Jersey, proved bitter. – sounds a bit like lifting from the source or original research.

That's all for copyedits issues.--ZKang123 (talk) 01:22, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sourcing and spot checks

Ref 2 probably needs an access date. And also the exact page number since it links to a pdf. Would say for subsequent uses of Ref 2
- I do not use access dates for history cards because they were printed products and will never change again. I have typically shunned using page mentions because the PDF pagination the FCC uses, while sensible, very poorly matches the physical documents that were scanned.
Refs 6, 8, 19, 30, 43, 46, 50, 62 check out.
Ref 16 notes Stu Nathan is sports director of Kaiser Broadcasting, not exactly the channel itself. Though a minor issue; I would say he's on the channel but more accurately sports director of the company than of the channel.
- "of the Kaiser Broadcasting Corporation here". There is a second ref which I have added which calls him "WKBS sports director".
Ref 40 notes that 82 staffers lost their jobs from the channel, but that 25% managed to find new jobs elsewhere. From the statement itself, it quite implies all 82 ended up unemployed.
(optional) Add archive link for Ref 40.
There's a space between [50] [51][52]

That's all for sourcing spot-checks. Putting nomination on hold until everything is addressed.--ZKang123 (talk) 01:56, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@ZKang123: Everything has been addressed. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 04:58, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Satisfied with the changes. Passed.--ZKang123 (talk) 14:23, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 16:18, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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