Talk:WCKL (FM)

Disco Demolition Night

Disco Demolition Night Thursday, July 12, 1979 - Old Comiskey Park Chicago, Illinois what is often termed the "Anti-Disco Riot". Didn't The Loop sponsor this? There should probably be a section in the article for this event.

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BetacommandBot 01:33, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but the entire historical section of this article titled "Frequency use prior to WLUP" is HOPELESSLY wrong. Whoever wrote this has confused two different but nearby (on the dial) FM stations. Part of the problem here is that the company that operates a radio station assigned a particular frequency IS NOT the same as the station itself, which is tied to that specific frequency. When a station is sold, the frequency goes to the new owner. A sold station DOES NOT CHANGE frequencies. However, an owner might change the station(s) it owns by buying or selling.

That entire history given here for WLUP that mentions WSDM and its predecessor is in error: it is the history of the station at 95.5 FM -- better known today as WNUA. As a long-time jazz fan, I of course listened to WSDM 95.5 FM, the station with all the girl deejays, for nearly 15 years while I was growing up. Therefore, I know the difference between the two stations/frequencies and what they were before they were sold to their current owners. Moreover, WLUP was already in existence and playing rock music while WSDM was still on the air: back in 1977, I was married and my now ex was listening to WLUP mornings during our commute, and I had to fight him to change channels to WSDM because I couldn't stand rock music that early in the day. Yet according to this page, those stations never coexisted; that's just plain wrong.

Whoever wrote the pages for WLUP-FM and WNUA-FM (formerly WSDM) bungled this completely. I have to wonder if this person even lives or lived in Chicago and ever listened to either station during the 1980s and 1990s, it's that badly botched.Mrtraska (talk) 23:52, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Requested move 11 March 2018

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: CLOSED, in favour of the move. Move is uncontroversial (now); FCC database confirms the change. And y'all are far too kind... Mlaffs (talk) 00:35, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

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WLUP-FM → WCKL-FM – "The Loop" went off the air on Saturday, March 10, 2018. Therefore, the call letters WLUP are no longer in effect. AdamDeanHall (talk) 16:38, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

• Temporarily oppose: Per naming conventions, US radio station article titles reflect the official call sign. For the moment, that is still WLUP-FM. Until the call change to WCKL-FM actually happens, the article title should not change. (There is nothing that says if the format and branding changes, the call sign immediately changes — the FCC issues call signs, but has no control over what the station programs or calls itself. Indeed, clips I've heard from the changeover indicate that even the top-of-hour station identification continues to say WLUP-FM, at least in the first hours with K-Love — that doesn't exactly suggest that the call sign is "no longer in effect".) That said, I get the impression that the call letter change will probably happen within days; should this happen, I'll obviously change my stance. --WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 01:44, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
  • Changing to a weak support — as I expected, the call letters changed to WCKL-FM today, and is now reflected as such in the FCC's database. While in and of itself that of course means I no longer object to the page move itself, the weakness of my support is because I still stand by my stance that the rationale given in the move request isn't fully accurate — because it was still WLUP-FM over the weekend, the end of "The Loop" did not immediately mean the WLUP-FM call sign was "no longer in effect". As a result, the eventual move might actually be more despite the request, rather than because of the request. (As Mrschimpf noted below, Mlaffs is quite good at handling these situations, and likely would get around to this one whether or not this ever made it to requested moves.) --WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 18:59, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
• Temporarily Oppose: I agree with Wcquidditch. The callsign for WLUP is still WLUP. As Wcquidditch noted, per the naming conventions, we have to wait until the station officially changes callsigns before we change the name of the page. Once that happens, and it is indeed to WCKL-FM, I won't be opposed, but for the moment, I am. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 12:49 on March 12, 2018 (UTC)
• Temporarilly oppose Still WLUP. Mlaffs (talk · contribs) is awesome at tracking these changes and will do the legwork once it does happen, but we don't do 'just because' changes. In either case as described in the article, it's being warehoused, so when this does happen the most we'll do is create a dab page, move the WLUP-FM content to WCKL-FM, and dab from WLUP-FM, then a link to K-LOVE describing the Gainsville market station under the new WLUP-FM calls (which has always been a rd to the KLOVE article). Nate • (chatter) 15:39, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
• Comment I usually comment on most discussions like this tagged from WP:CHICAGO. I have no expertise on the finepoints under discussion here and it seems that the appropriate experts are involved. I trust the consensus here and whatever it might eventually land at.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:34, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

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Transition/Creation of new content to WCKL-FM on wikipedia

With the soon to be call-sign change to WCKL-FM, the edited information on the WLUP-FM Wikipedia page should be transferred to the new WCKL-FM Wikipedia page, thus rendering the information currently on the WLUP-FM Wikipedia page to change back to its original state from March 9th, 2018 with appropriate edits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Radxr3 (talk • contribs) 04:29, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Generally, radio station articles cover the station's entire history dating back to when the station was first licensed — we don't create new pages every time the call letters change, we instead just rename the article. Occasionally, there are some exceptions, such as when a new WLVO article was created after EMF bought the former WBRU license in Providence — but that is an exception that proves the rule, as the WLVO article does cover the station's entire history, dating back to WPFM in 1955, in a way the WBRU article didn't quite do (since that article instead follows the even longer history of radio at Brown University in general dating to 1936, well before the 1965 acquisition of WPFM; in addition, the post-license-sale continuation of WBRU seems a bit more substantial than Cumulus' WKQX-HD2 continuation of "The Loop"). However, the existing WLUP-FM article does cover the station's days (dating to the 1940s) as W83C, WEHS, WHFC, and WSDM in addition to its run as WLUP "The Loop" since 1977; I also don't really see anything requiring a split at this time. (I'll also note that reverting the WLUP-FM article back to March 9 would actually remove some edits made about the earlier history of the station — at that time, it claimed that the then-WEHS signed on some time in the 1950s, rather than 1945 as it now says.) --WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 19:32, 12 March 2018 (UTC)