Talk:Vuelve (album)

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• number one 43 week | Latin Pop Albums |
• number one 26 week | Top Latin Albums |

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: No Consensus to move; not moved. Even after listing only one other editor participated. The evidence that the album is the primary topic is not substantiated. (non-admin closure) B2C 05:45, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

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• Vuelve (album) → Vuelve
• Vuelve → Vuelve (disambiguation)

– Back in 2009 User:Renné move this album page from Vuelve to Vuelve (album) with no edit summary. Generally it is correct if there is a valid reason, like a dab page, but it was not the case. Vuelve redirected to Vuelve (album) until Max24 created a dab page with two links (WP:TWODABS), one about the album and one about the song from this album. Today I added two other songs with no article (WP:NSONGS). This album seems to be the primary topic, in English, of the Spanish word "Vuelve" (translated as "[You] come back"). Relisted. Favonian (talk) 15:01, 13 May 2013 (UTC). Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 01:38, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

• Comment - Google Books doesn't support that there is a WP:primarytopic, there often isn't: "If there is no primary topic, the term should be the title of a disambiguation page". Vuelve (album) and Vuelve (song) together would be, but share it out between them and neither is primary. In ictu oculi (talk) 02:41, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
  • Can you give links? Also, someone one day said "Google doesn't prove notability", why Google is wrong when it is convenient, and is correct when it is convenient? Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 02:46, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

How can one link, the only way is to stroll through the book links and see where it means the album, where the single... In ictu oculi (talk)

What I meant is that I live in a Spanish speaking country, and "Vuelve" is a verb (You come back in English), GBooks will give me a lot of books with its title including the word "Vuelve": Por favor, vuelve a casa, Vuelve, maestro..., etc., but this is not Spanish Wikipedia, "Vuelve" is not common in the English world. If I search "Vuelve Ricky Martin" I get multiple Billboard links most of them talking about the album, which is obvious if we consider this v. this. This album became famous because of the successful The Cup of Life. That's why I don't know what are you talking about. Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 01:12, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

I meant GB for "Vuelve + Ricky Martin", it isn't clear the album is more notable than the song. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:57, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose - a second look at GB for "Vuelve + Ricky Martin" confirms first impressions. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:35, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

8 million copies sold ???

"Vuelve" is a full-length spanish album, during the latin explosion (1998-2001), some artists achieved success outside Latin America and became well-known acts around the world like Ricky Martin, Shakira and Enrique Iglesias, the case here is that "Vuelve" is a spanish album and no matter how succesful an album was in that language, an album in that language wouldn't sell more than 5-6 million copies at the most, the album has sold 900,000 in the US basically and between 200-500K in some countries, 4-5 million copies sold sound reasonable, but 8 million copies is a ridiculous amount to believe, there's no way the album sold that much, the only page as a source that says that is a polish biography of Ricky, that same biography states that "Vuelve" sold as much copies as "Sound Loaded" (His 2nd english studio album), 8 million both albums, so, according to the source, "Vuelve" (a spanish album) sold as much copies as his second english studio album released when he was already a worldwide super star. Alberto279 (talk) 23:25, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

@Alberto279: find a reliable source and include the 4/5 millions record sold here.--88marcus (talk) 22:21, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

@88marcus: believe me, i have tried but what i am saying is pure math, there's no way a full spanish album could sell 8 million copies worldwide, in that case, "Vuelve" would be the best selling latin album of all times, besides the source that states that the album sold that is not a music chart, magazine or any data related to album sales, is a biography that could have been written by anyone, it's better to just remove the 8 million number with the source and leave alone the certifications.

@Alberto279: I agree with you. I found a reliable source that says the album sold 6 million copies. It's included in the article now.--88marcus (talk) 00:11, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

@88marcus: that's excellent, we should always keep wikipedia as rel and accurate as possible, 8 million for a spanish album is an insane number, did you add the source in the discography page too?

@Alberto279: yes! ;)--88marcus (talk) 17:09, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Reference cleanup needed

Erick, you have requested a GOCE copy edit for this article. Can you or someone else please clean up the reference errors before that copy edit happens? I see errors at references 8, 13, 16, 42, 74, 75, 78, 107 (typo), 117, 119. Thanks. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:18, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Magiciandude (fixing ping). – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:19, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

@Jonesey95:, @Baffle gab1978: Sorry for the wait, I have fixed the references. Erick (talk) 02:58, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Much improved. We'll get to your copy edit request soon(ish). – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:38, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Vuelve (album)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 07:55, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Will review this since it's the oldest albums GAN, back from November 2020... --K. Peake 07:55, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

• February 10, 1998 → February 12, 1998, as that is the release date sourced in the body
• 1997 is not sourced properly as the recording date in the body; you have mentioned him working on it that year but not sourced it finishing the same year
• various → Various, as the word is starting the parameter
• Replace hlist with bullet points per Template:Infobox album
• Remove wikilink on studio album
• Change release date to February 12 and remove the ref, as that is the actual date and iTunes was not around at the time so is useless here
• "Rosa and Desmond Child" → "Rosa, and Desmond Child"
• "generally positive, praising its uptempo tracks and its" → "generally positive; they praised its uptempo tracks and"
• "The album debuted at" → "Vuelve debuted at" to avoid overusing "the album" like you have done a number of times in this para
• "boosting the record's sales." → "boosting the album's sales."
• "making it the" → standing as the"
• Tenth → 10th per MOS:NUM
• "The album reached number one" → "Vuelve reached number one"
• "To promote the album, Martin" → "For promotion, Martin"
• "and the United States." → "and the US." per MOS:US

Background

• Retitle to Background and recording
• Target Robi Draco Rosa to Draco Rosa on the img text
• Target ballad to Sentimental ballad
• "centered on traditional Latin" → "focused on traditional Latin" with the target
• Wikilink record label
• Target single to Single (music)
• "the album had" → "A Medio Vivir had"
• Target composition to List of FIFA World Cup anthems and songs
• ""La Copa de la Vida" composed by Porter, Rosa and Desmond Child." → ""La Copa de la Vida", composed by KC Porter, Robi Draco Rosa, and Desmond Child." with the wikilink and target, as it is the first time they're mentioned in the body; you should probably introduce who Rosa is here too instead of later
• "While on tour," probably would be advisable to mention the year at this point since the recording year is claimed to be 1997
• "with producers KC Porter and fellow ex-member of Menudo Robi Draco Rosa and" → "with producers Porter and Rosa, and" but in the likelhood of you moving the introduction to Rosa earlier, target Menudo to Menudo (group)
• "Puerto Rico and Spain." → "Puerto Rico, and Spain."

Composition

• Retitle to Composition and lyrics
• "of fourteen songs consisting" → "of 14 songs, consisting" per MOS:NUM
• Target to Bomba (Puerto Rico) should solely be on "of the same name"
• "It features Cuban musician" → "The song features Cuban musician"
• "uptempo number on which the singer" → "uptempo number, on which Martin"
• What does it incorporate of gospel music; elements or something else?
• "where the narrator pleads" → "and includes the narrator pleading"
• By "his love interest", is it referring to the narrator pleading with the singer's interest? If so, change "his" to "Martin's".
• [15][13] should be put in numerical order
• "for ten years" → "for 10 years"
• Change with Billboard to for Estudio Billboard since that is a TV show she was interview for and it is mentioned by the source
• "narratives" with the" → "narratives", with the"
• Mention any titles in brackets are translated like you did in the lead and add speech marks
• "an artist "obsessed" → "an artist who is "[o]bsessed" since the original quote starts with a capital o
• Remove wikilink on instrumental
• "the song for the album," → "the song for Vuelve,"
• Target string arrangement to String section
• Remove target on "La Copa de la Vida"
• Target whistles to Whistling
• Wikilink trumpet before the plural
• "The singer declares life" → "On the song, Martin declares life"
• "is "openly pop" → "is as "openly pop"
• "performed "Marcia Baila" and was" → "performed "Marcia Baila", and it was"
• "for their album" → "from their album" to sound less confusing
• ""Gracias por Pensar en Mi" narrator is" → "The narrator for "Gracias por Pensar en Mi" is" but where is this backed up by the source?
  • It's sourced on ref number 20.
• "The album also features" → "Vuelve also features"
• "peaked at number ten" → "peaked at number 10" but the single release is unsourced

Singles

• Target Billboard Hot Latin Songs to Hot Latin Songs on the img text
• "number-one song" → "number one song"
• "in the United States." → "in the US." per MOS:US
• "It became a top-five" → "The song became a top five"
• "It also reached number one in:" → "It reached number one in"
• "success as it reached number one in:" → "success, reaching number one in"
• "Switzerland[45] Venezuela," → "Switzerland,[45] and Venezuela,"
• "in Norway,[47] the ballads chart" → "in Norway,[47] as well as on the ballads chart"
• "and on the Hot Latin Songs" → "and the Hot Latin Songs"
• "The third single," → "The third single from Vuelve,"
• Mention any titles in brackets are translated and add speech marks
• "1998 and became his second number-one" → "1998, and became Martin's second number one"
• "released from the album" → "released from Vuelve"
• [27] should be at the end of the sentence before [52] to back up the Hot Latin Songs position
• "in the United States" → "in the US that same year"

Marketing

Release

• The opening sentence of this section should mention the initial release of the album in the US on February 10, 1998, using the ref currently in the lead

Another user had changed the release date. I'm going to stick with the press release since online retails tend to get release dates for older albums wrong.

• "Sony Music first released" → "Sony Music released"
• "February 28 in" → "February 24 in" because that is what the source says
• "in rest of Europe" → "across the rest of Europe"
• "To promote the record in" → "To promote Vuelve in"
• Target CD to Compact disc
• Target Sony Music Japan to Sony Music Entertainment Japan
• "in Japan on March 25" → "in the label's native country on March 25, 1998"
• "the Spanglish version" → "the Spanglish radio edit"
• "it includes two" → "the album includes two"
• "and his previously-recorded" → "and Martin's previously-recorded"
• "advertised the record on" → "advertised Vuelve on"

Tour

• Retitle to Live performances since there is more than just the tour mention here
• "and the United States." → "and the US."
• "on February 13 and 14." → "on February 13 and February 14, 1997, respectively."
• Wikilink benefit concert before the plural
• The Foundation for Children of Peru → the Foundation for Children of Peru per MOS:THECAPS
• "He also participated" → "Martin also participated"
• "on June 26 where" → "on June 26, 1997, where"
• "planned for Indonesia in May" mention what year
• "In the United States, he" → "In the US, Martin"
• "$446,805 which landed it at number ten" → "$446,805, which landed it at number 10" per MOS:NUM
• "grossed $632,180 placing" → "grossed $632,180, placing"
• "of November 10." → "for November 10, 1998."
• "and percussion and" → "alongside percussion and"
• [5] does not mention him performing it at the final despite offering an image
• Target dance to Dance music
• "and the awkward" → "as well as the awkward"
• "remarked that the artist" → "remarked that the singer"

Critical reception

• Remove AllMusic star rating from prose since it is in the ratings box, plus identify the reviewer by his full name

Well star ratings in the prose is usually what I do for all my albums, including my FAs, but I am open to suggestions.

• "complimented Martin for a record that" → "complimented Martin over how it"
• "However, he found" → "However, Promis found"
• "a metamorphosis for the singer;" → "a metamorphosis for Martin;"
• Target R&B to Contemporary R&B
• "on the production" → "of the production"
• "of "No Importa la Distancia" (The Distance Does Not Matter) which" → "of "No Importa la Distancia", which" since the song is mentioned as a Spanish version of another track
• The Los Angeles Times' Ernesto Lechner → Lechner, as you have already introduced who he is
• Remove the Los Angeles Times star rating from prose since it is in the box
• "commending Martin's vocal ability" → "commended Martin's vocal ability on the album"
• "despite the title of the song." → "despite recognizing the "suspicious" title of the song."
• Remove Rolling Stone star rating from prose since it is in the box
• "touting the record's" → "touted the record's"
• "Miami Herald editor" → "The Miami Herald editor"
• "of Vuelve. She called" → "of Vuelve; she called"
• "ballads and felt its arrangements" → "ballads" and felt the arrangements"
• "Latin pop fray"" → "Latin pop fray"."
• "However, she criticized" → "However, Cobo criticized"
• "on the Hot Latin Songs chart" → "on the US Hot Latin Songs chart"
• "overshadowed the singer's voice." → "overshadowed Martin's voice."
• "Writing for The Dallas Morning News, Mario Tarradell complimented the artist" → "For The Dallas Morning News, Mario Tarradell complimented the singer"
• "However, he said" → "However, Tarradell said"

Accolades

• "the album received a" → "Vuelve received a"
• Billboard Latin Music Award → Billboard Latin Music Awards
• "Vuelve was listed among" → "the album was listed among"
• 50 Essential Latin Albums of the Past Years → 50 Essential Latin Albums of the Past 50 Years
• "An editor opined that" → "An editor opined,"

Commercial performance

• "In the United States, the record debuted on top of the" → "In the US, Vuelve debuted atop the" per MOS:US and to be less wordy
• "The disc spent twenty-six non-consecutive weeks in" → "The album spent 26 weeks at" per MOS:NUM
• "It peaked at number forty..." remove the sentence here since you have it elsewhere in more detail
• The year-end positions should come after the Billboard 200 weekly performance
• "Vuelve ended 1998" → "The album ended 1998"
• Mention the ranking was in the US
• "Me Estoy Enamorando) and" → "Me Estoy Enamorando), and"
• "On the Billboard 200 chart, it debuted" → "On the US Billboard 200, Vuelve debuted"
• The 37th Annual Grammy Awards mention should be changed to Grammy Awards, as it was not at that edition of the ceremony and the relevant one is recently mentioned
• "helped the record to peak" → "helped the album to peak"
• "in the United States," → "in the US,"
• tenth → 10th
• "over one million units." → "1,000,000 units in the country."
• "it reached number three" → "Vuelve reached number three"
• "the RPM and number 11 on the Canadian Albums Charts;" → "the RPM chart and number 11 on the Canadian Albums Chart;"
• "double for shipping 200,000 copies." → "double platinum for shipping 200,000 copies in Canada."
• "of the record" → "of the album"
• "in Argentina and Mexico and platinum in Peru and Uruguay." → "in both Argentina and Mexico, and platinum in the respective countries of Peru and Uruguay."
• Target Spanish Albums Chart to Productores de Música de España
• Remove comma after 1998
• "Productores de Música de España (PROMUSICAE) denoting shipment" → "Productores de Música de España (PROMUSICAE), denoting shipments"
• Target Portuguese Albums Chart to Associação Fonográfica Portuguesa and add a comma after the chart
• "Associação Fonográfica Portuguesa (AFP) denoting shipments of over 40,000 copies." → "Associação Fonográfica Portuguesa (AFP), denoting shipments of over 40,000 copies in Portugal."
• "it peaked at" → "the album peaked at"
• [111] should also be invoked at the end of the first sentence it is used to back up
• "in the country[111]" → "in Norway,[111]"
• Target IFPI to International Federation of the Phonographic Industry
• "for selling over 25,000 copies." → "for selling over 25,000 copies in the country."
• Target albums chart to Sverigetopplistan
• "for seventeen weeks," → "for 17 weeks,"
• "the Swedish Recording Industry Association (GLF) denoting" → "the Swedish Recording Industry Association (GLF), denoting"
• "signifying sales of one million copies" → "that signifies sales of 1,000,000 copies"
• "the album was certified gold" → "Vuelve was certified gold"
• [117][63] put in numerical order
• "In Malaysia the record reached" → "In Malaysia, the album reached"
• "chart while it peaked" → "chart, while it peaked"
• "Oricon Albums Chart and was" → "Oricon Albums Chart, and was"
• [118][119][63][120] put in numerical order
• "it was certified" → "Vuelve was certified"
• "bestselling album in" → "best-selling album in"
• "worldwide as of 2008." → "worldwide by 2008."

Track listing

• See MOS:TABLECAPTION for the first track list
• Porter → KC Porter on the first mention
• KC Porter → Porter under songwriter(s)

Personnel

from AllMusic. → from AllMusic and the album liner notes.

Recording and mixing locations

• Why are only two of the studios wikilinked when other(s) have articles?

Musicians and technical

• Replace any instances where track titles are mentioned in brackets with the track number, e.g. (track 2) for "Vuelve"

Charts

Weekly charts

• See MOS:TABLECAPTION

Year-end charts

• See MOS:TABLECAPTION
• Split the tables for different years

All-times charts

• See MOS:TABLECAPTION

Certification

• Retitle to Certifications and sales
• See MOS:TABLECAPTION

See also

• Good

References

• Copyvio score looks great at 19.4%; ignore the AllMusic URL since that is only flagged because of the personnel listed
• Make sure all of these are archived by using the tool
• Cite Martin's last name followed by first for the author on ref 2
• ABC-CLIO → ABC-Clio on ref 4
• Remove Prometheus Global Media from ref 5
• WP:OVERLINK of Billboard on refs 6, 17, 24, 36, 42, 43, 50, 71, 77, 78, 80, 82, 89, 90, 94, 96 97, 99, 116 and 130
• Allmusic → AllMusic on ref 8, with the wikilink
• Cite Martin's last name followed by first for the author on ref 9 and target Sony Discos to Sony Music Latin
• WP:OVERLINK of AllMusic on refs 11, 59 and 60 and cite solely as publisher
• Remove wikilink on Billboard for ref 17 and wikilink Nielsen Business Media
• Cite Omelete as publisher instead for ref 22 with the wikilink
• WP:OVERLINK of Billboard on refs 25, 27, 91, 92 and 146 and remove the publisher
• Remove wikilink on El Siglo de Torreón for refs 29, 57 and 67 and add the language parameter
• WP:OVERLINK of El Siglo de Torreón on refs 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 39, 46, 62, 65, 67, 69, 72 and 73
• Remove ref 38's author
• WP:OVERLINK of Canciones Top 50 on refs 51, 52, 53 and 58
• Cite Martin's last name followed by first for the author on ref 54 and wikilink Columbia Records
• WP:OVERLINK of AllMusic on ref 55
• Fix MOS:QWQ issues with ref 74 and target El Informador to whichever newspaper is correct
• Fix the title formatting for refs 75, 76 and 79 and potential MOS:QWQ issues
• WP:OVERLINK of Los Angeles Times on ref 81
• Cite Univision as publisher instead for ref 86
• Target CAPIF to Argentine Chamber of Phonograms and Videograms Producers on ref 103
• Target Cámara Uruguaya del Disco to International Federation of the Phonographic Industry on ref 106
• Cite Music & Media as work/website instead for ref 110 with the wikilink
• Add the language parameter for ref 117
• Remove wikilink on Music & Media for ref 121
• Target ARIA to Australian Recording Industry Association on ref 139
• Fix MOS:QWQ issues with ref 149 and remove the publisher
• Ref 155 is a duplicate of ref 116

Final comments and verdict

•  On hold this is a very long article so congrats; hope you can fix all of the issues! --K. Peake 18:33, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

I'll get to work on this either tonight or tomorrow. I spent the day yesterday working on another article and getting it nominated for GA. Erick (talk) 18:37, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Magiciandude I was about to check on you today anyway as I had just finished prepping an article for GAN myself, I can see you have started going through already and good luck with the remainder of the article! --K. Peake 15:53, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

@Kyle Peake: Sorry for the lack of response, life got in the way again. Every time I come from work, I end up passing out. I am very committed to finishing this article as I intend to nominate it FA in the near future. This will probably take me a week to finish. Erick (talk) 14:54, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

@Magiciandude: It is fine since articles do not have to only remain onhold for a set amount of time; I remember having the same feeling when editing Wiki after work before covid-19 closed my place, so I totally sympathise! --K. Peake 15:09, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Magiciandude Great to see the level of progress you have been making on this recently; will it be finished this weekend probably? --K. Peake 12:42, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Magiciandude Spotted that you have been at work on this today, is it going to be complete tonight or another day? --K. Peake 17:09, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Resuming work on Monday. Erick (talk) 21:55, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Magiciandude That is good to hear, after this article has been on hold for nearly a month! --K. Peake 18:30, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Magiciandude Can't you just run the fix dead links tool or is it not working for you? --K. Peake 07:29, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

I had no idea such a tool actually exists! Can you link it so I can use it asap? Archiving all these sources manually gets me burned out pretty quickly. Erick (talk) 14:54, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Magiciandude Click on revision history and select fix dead links. Sorry for the late reply; I did not see your message due to the lack of a mention and I found it after coming here to check on your progress (it has been over a month, hopefully this article will be finished soon). --K. Peake 11:50, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

@Kyle Peake: Oh my God you're a lifesaver! I used the tool on this article and the other article that is currently GAR. I addressed some of your comments above. Erick (talk) 01:11, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

@Magiciandude: Very glad to hear that, I guess you can always learn something new no matter how long you have been on the site!!! ✓ Pass time for this article now, as I can see you have implemented most of the changes apart from a few which I copyedited in; took a while but to be fair the article is massive, so nice job! --K. Peake 07:32, 10 March 2021 (UTC)