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"SB Nation" section

Hello again! I am back with an additional edit request, which I'm submitting on behalf of Vox Media. The SB Nation article has been updated recently, so I propose updating the "SB Nation" section of this Wikipedia article as well. The "Eater" section was recently updated based on a sourced version of the Eater article's introduction. I propose doing the same for the "SB Nation" section (see a sourced version of the SB Nation article's lead, plus mention of the network's current CEO, below). I'll let reviewing editors decide if mention of SB Nation Radio should be in the form of prose or a "see also" link.

Rendering and sources

Main article: SB Nation

See also: SB Nation Radio

SB Nation (originally known as Sports Blog Nation) is a sports blogging network, co-founded by Tyler Bleszinski and Markos Moulitsas in 2005. The blog from which the network formed was started by Bleszinski as Athletics Nation in 2003, and focused solely on the Oakland Athletics. It has since expanded to cover sports franchises on a national scale, including all Major League Baseball, National Basketball Association, National Football League, and National Hockey League teams, as well as college and soccer teams, totaling over 300 community sites. In 2011, the network expanded into technology content with The Verge, leading to the parent company Sports Blogs Inc. being rebranded as Vox Media. Vox Media's chief executive, Jim Bankoff, has served as SB Nation's CEO since 2009.

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This summary provides a more thorough overview of the network than the current one, and provides a bit more historical context by mentioning the founders and founding date, how the network evolved, how its expansion with The Verge lead to Vox Media's rebranding, and also includes mention of the network's current CEO.

@Inkian Jason: I got this one. AmericanAir88 (talk) 17:09, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

@AmericanAir88: Thank you for reviewing and updating the article. Inkian Jason (talk) 17:12, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Markup

Collapsed below is markup for the above content, which editors are welcome to copy and paste appropriately:

Markup

{{Main|SB Nation}} {{See also|SB Nation Radio}} SB Nation (originally known as Sports Blog Nation) is a sports blogging network, co-founded by Tyler Bleszinski and [[Markos Moulitsas]] in 2005. The blog from which the network formed was started by Bleszinski as Athletics Nation in 2003, and focused solely on the [[Oakland Athletics]].<ref name="Orlando">{{cite journal|last1=Orlando|first1=Dan|title=What's the future of the sports-blogging industry? Here are 3 different answers from rival contenders|journal=New York Business Journal|date=July 12, 2013|url=https://www.bizjournals.com/newyork/news/2013/07/11/3-companies-with-nyc-ties-that-have.html?page=all|accessdate=March 20, 2018|publisher=[[American City Business Journals]]}}</ref> It has since expanded to cover sports franchises on a national scale, including all [[Major League Baseball]], [[National Basketball Association]], [[National Football League]], and [[National Hockey League]] teams, as well as college and soccer teams, totaling over 300 community sites.<ref name="Lincoln">{{cite news|last1=Lincoln|first1=Kevin|title=The Raid on AOL: How Vox Pillaged Engadget and Founded an Empire|url=http://www.businessinsider.com/vox-2012-1|accessdate=March 21, 2018|work=[[Business Insider]]|publisher=[[Axel Springer SE]]|date=January 9, 2012}}</ref><ref name="Warzel">{{cite journal|last1=Warzel|first1=Charlie|title=SB Nation Relaunches, Hires First Editorial Director|journal=Adweek|date=September 25, 2012|url=http://www.adweek.com/digital/sb-nation-relaunches-hires-first-editorial-director-143967/|accessdate=March 22, 2018}}</ref> In 2011, the network expanded into technology content with ''[[The Verge]]'', leading to the parent company Sports Blogs Inc. being rebranded as Vox Media.<ref name=Lincoln /><ref name="Swisher">{{cite web|last1=Swisher|first1=Kara|title=SB Nation Sacks AOL in Raid of Former Engadget Team for Competing New Tech Site, As AOL Zeroes in on New EiC|url=http://allthingsd.com/20110403/sb-nation-sacks-aol-in-raid-of-former-engadget-team-for-competing-new-tech-site/|website=[[All Things Digital]]|accessdate=March 21, 2018|date=April 3, 2011}}</ref> Vox Media's chief executive, Jim Bankoff, has served as SB Nation's CEO since 2009.<ref name=Lincoln/>

I don't edit the main space directly because of my conflict of interest, so I'm seeking assistance from other Wikipedia editors to review and implement the proposed content appropriately. I'm happy to address questions, and thanks for your consideration! Inkian Jason (talk) 16:08, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

@Maile66: Since you weighed in above regarding the "Eater" section of this article, and this request is similar, I wonder if you might be willing to take a look at this request for the "SB Nation" section as well? Inkian Jason (talk) 15:48, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

@Inkian Jason: Once again, good work! All sources are reliable. Do you think you could add a sourced sentence regarding SB Nation Radio (possibly containing establishment dates) and link to its article there? This way we can reduce the section to having just one hatnote. Lordtobi (✉) 17:08, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

@Lordtobi: Thank you for reviewing. Another editor has already implemented the proposed text, but I am not opposed to keeping mention of SB Nation Radio in the section's prose. Inkian Jason (talk) 17:12, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

@Inkian Jason: AmericanAir88 probably overlooked my note down here. I'd still be glad if you could write a sentence or two on the radio so that we can make void of the secondary hatnote. Regards. Lordtobi (✉) 17:47, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

@Lordtobi: How about the following, which was tweaked from the existing SB Nation article?

The network expanded into radio programming in mid 2016 with SB Nation Radio, through a partnership with Gow Media.

I'm open to suggestions, but starting with something short and neutral. This could be a new paragraph below the current paragraph, and with this addition, the "see also" link could be removed. Inkian Jason (talk) 18:02, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Seems good, everything is better without clutter. Lordtobi (✉) 18:28, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! Inkian Jason (talk) 18:32, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Jim Bankoff draft article

Resolved

Hello. On behalf of Vox Media, I've drafted an expanded and improved Wikipedia article about Jim Bankoff (the company's CEO) for community review. I don't edit the main space because of my conflict of interest, so I'm looking for volunteer editors to review this draft and implement proposed content appropriately. See Talk:Jim Bankoff for more information, and to see my disclosure. Thanks for any help in advance. Inkian Jason (talk) 20:31, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

This request has been answered. Thanks! Inkian Jason (talk) 18:47, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Requests

Hi again, I am submitting another edit request on behalf of Vox Media.

1. For the introduction:

• Currently, the opening sentence reads starts with, "Vox Media, Inc. is an American digital media based...". The word "company" is missing. Can an editor please change this to, "Vox Media, Inc. is an American digital media company based..."?
• The next sentence starts with, "The company founded in July 2005..." The word "was" is missing. Can an editor please change this to, "The company was founded in July 2005..."?
• References 3 and 4 are actually the same New York Times article. One of these inline citations can be removed.

2. For the "Continued growth and expansion into other content areas" subsection:

• The second paragraph (a single sentence) starts with, "In 2012, Vox launched a video gaming website...". Some disambiguation is needed here. "Vox" can refer the website, which is also operated by Vox Media. Can an editor please change this to, "In 2012, Vox Media launched a video gaming website..." to avoid confusion?

3. Similarly, "Media" is missing in the "Funding" section. The sentence "According to sources, the Series C in May 2012, valued Vox at $140 million" should read, "According to sources, the Series C in May 2012, valued Vox Media at $140 million."

4. In the "Curbed" subsection, the website is described as a "real-estate/home website". Can this be changed to "real-estate and home website (replace the slash with "and")?

5. Finally, for now, some tense changes are needed in the "Racked" subsection. The sentence "In addition to the national site, Racked has local sites..." should be changed to "In addition to the national site, Racked had local sites...", and "The editor-in-chief is Britt Aboutaleb" should be changed to "The editor-in-chief was Britt Aboutaleb".

I think all of these requests are pretty straightforward, but I'm seeking editor review and implementation because I don't edit articles directly given my conflict of interest. @Lordtobi: You've assisted with a few requests already. Might you be willing to help with this one as well? Thanks for considering. Inkian Jason (talk) 16:47, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

All  Done. Lordtobi (✉) 18:25, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

@Lordtobi: Thank you for helping here. Just one quick comment re: #4: I was hoping to change "real-estate/home" to "real-estate and home" here, not "real-estate blog network" to "real-estate and blog network". Does that make sense? Inkian Jason (talk) 18:52, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Inkian Jason, whoops! Yep, that was supposed to go to the other "real-estate". Should be fixed. Lordtobi (✉) 18:53, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

@Lordtobi: Indeed, you've been very helpful, thanks again. I'll be proposing additional updates soon. Inkian Jason (talk) 18:55, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Recognition

Hello! I'm back to propose another addition to this Wikipedia article. I know "recognition" sections on company biographies are met with much skepticism, and rightly so, but I'd like to identify a few accomplishments editors may deem appropriate for inclusion as a standalone "Recognition" section or possibly for the "History" section. I believe each of these claims are neutral, and provide an overview of recognition received by the company (not for specific brands or projects).

• In 2016, Vox Media was nominated for "Company of the Year" by Inc. magazine. In an article titled "From Sports Blog to Multimillion-Dollar Media Company", the magazine reported that Vox Media generated approximately $100 million in revenue in 2015, and was attracting 170 million unique users and 800 million content views monthly. Vox Media was named one of the world's "most innovative" media companies in 2017 by Fast Company "for doubling down on quality content while expanding". The company was also named one of the "50 Great Places to Work" in Washington, D.C., by Washingtonian magazine. Vox Media has earned a rating of 95 out of 100 on the Human Rights Campaign's Corporate Equality Index, which rates businesses on their treatment of LGBT personnel.

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These claims seem in line with other company biographies mentioning rankings, list inclusions by notable publications, and HRC ratings. However, I'm simply offering this as a suggestion and will let reviewing editors decide if the content should be added. I don't edit the main space directly, so I'm hoping Lordtobi or another editor is willing to review this request and update the article appropriately. Feel free to copy and paste the provided markup above, if helpful.

Thanks again. Inkian Jason (talk) 22:09, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Inkian Jason, content has been included as "Reception" with some minor edits towards neutrality/brevity. Please tell me if you feel like there are any issues with the result. Lordtobi (✉) 10:40, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for reviewing and updating the article. Inkian Jason (talk) 16:55, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Updates for the Recode and Vox subsections

Hi again! I have two additional requests for consideration, this time to update and add some relevance to two very minimal subsections.

1. Currently, the "Vox" subsection" only says, "Vox was launched in April 2014; it is a news website that employs explanatory journalism. The site's editor-in-chief is Lauren Williams." I propose the following addition to provide a bit more detail about the site's reception:

• In 2018, Vox was nominated for "General Excellence in Online Journalism" by the the Online Journalism Awards. It was also nominated for three News & Documentary Emmy Awards.

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@Lordtobi: I should note, this is similar to the request you implemented for the Vox (website) article, which actually goes into more detail about these nominations and others. Does this seem like an appropriate update for this currently minimal subsection?

2. Additionally, I propose an update to the "Recode" subsection, which currently has just one sentence ("Vox Media acquired technology news website Recode in May 2015."). Rather than focus on the website's pre-Vox Media history, I suggest adding a brief mention of one of Recode's major activities, the Code Conference. The Recode article has a paragraph about the conference in its "History" section, and the event receives some coverage annually. I propose the following addition:

• Recode hosts the annual invite-only Code Conference and in 2018 had Facebook's Sheryl Sandberg, Uber's Dara Khosrowshahi, and Snap Inc.'s Evan Spiegel as speakers.

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There are surely other ways to expand these sections to serve as better summaries of their respective articles, and I may have more suggestions soon, but in the meantime I'm proposing updates for expanding these sections beyond just one or two sentences. Again, I don't edit the main space directly so I'm seeking community feedback and implementation. Thanks again for any help, Inkian Jason (talk) 17:27, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Inkian Jason, in this case I'll have to decline 1½ of the requested changes. On Vox, single nominations are most likely not noteworthy enough for inclusion here, as they usually happen en masse, and the site did not actually win any of the awards mentioned. Notable awards Vox has won, for example, could potentially be included here. Similary, Recode's 2018 event should not be weighed higher than any other events in the same series. However, as Code Conference in general appears to be a more notable part of Recode, a mention of the event has been included. Regards. Lordtobi (✉) 18:37, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

@Lordtobi: I understand, thanks for reviewing this request and updating the article. Inkian Jason (talk) 18:58, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Correction

Hi again! I am submitting another request on behalf of Vox Media, this time a correction to the current introduction, which says, "... and was refounded as Vox Media in 2011 by Joshua Topolsky". This is incorrect --- Joshua Topolsky is often credited as a founder of The Verge, but not Vox Media.

I acknowledge, this New York Times article says, "Mr. Topolsky, who was the editor in chief of the technology site Engadget until 2011, helped to found The Verge, and was one of the creators of its parent company, Vox Media," but this article is a bit of an outlier and most secondary sourcing does not credit Topolsky as a founder of Vox Media. The "Founding and expansion in sports media" section" describes the founding of SportsBlogs, Inc., the parent company of the sports blog network SB Nation. The next section describes Topolsky's involvement in launching The Verge, which happened around the same time Sports Blogs was rebranded as Vox Media. But his involvement in the rebranding does not make him a founder of the company. I should also note, Topolsky's name was added on July 3 and did not credit him as a founder in the longstanding version of the article. I propose removing "and was refounded as Vox Media in 2011 by Joshua Topolsky" from the introduction, as well as his name from the infobox.

Again, I am submitting this correction on behalf of the company. Thanks in advance for any help. Inkian Jason (talk) 19:21, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Inkian Jason, Topolsky has been removed from the lead. The sentence fragment has been simplified to the rebranding. Lordtobi (✉) 19:28, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

@Lordtobi: You've been very helpful, thank you. Inkian Jason (talk) 19:29, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Correction for the "Continued growth and expansion into other content areas" section

I am submitting another correction on behalf of Vox Media. Currently, the "Continued growth and expansion into other content areas" section says, "In April 2014, the company launched an eponymous news website, Vox.com. Led by former Washington Post columnist Ezra Klein...", but actually, Melissa Bell and Matthew Yglesias are also credited as co-founders. Please see this Polico piece, which says, "Melissa Bell, who left The Washington Post in early 2014 to co-found Vox.com with Ezra Klein and Matt Yglesias, is taking on an expanded role at parent company Vox Media."

I propose changing the text to "In April 2014, the company launched an eponymous news website, Vox.com. Led by former Washington Post columnist Ezra Klein, Melissa Bell and Matthew Yglesias...", using Politico for the inline citation. @Lordtobi: Would you be willing to make this correction as well?

Thanks again for any help. Inkian Jason (talk) 19:37, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

 Done. Also removed "eponymous" becuase the site isn't called "Vox Media". Lordtobi (✉) 07:01, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks again for your help. Inkian Jason (talk) 16:32, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Correction for "Curbed" section

Hi again! I am submitting a request on behalf of Vox Media to correct the "Curbed" section, which currently says: "In addition to the national site, Curbed has local sites for Los Angeles, Atlanta, Boston, Cape Cod, Chicago, Detroit, Hamptons, New York City, Miami, New Orleans, Philadelphia, Seattle, Washington, D.C., San Francisco, and Ski." Per Curbed's directory, here is a list of active cities (in alphabetical order): Atlanta, Austin, Boston, Chicago, Detroit, Hamptons, Los Angeles, Miami, New Orleans, New York, Philadelphia, San Francisco, Seattle, and Washington, D.C. Austin should be added, and Cape Cod and "Ski" (I'm not sure what this means) should be removed. I realize this is a company website, but if a list of cities is to be kept in the article, I would hope Wikipedia editors would prefer an accurate and up-to-date list. If secondary coverage is required, I will do some additional research. Thank you. Inkian Jason (talk) 16:50, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Inkian Jason, simplified to number of available cities, this avoids problems like these and allows for easier updating. Full list could still be included in the site's own article. Lordtobi (✉) 16:59, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

@Lordtobi: Thank you. I found a source confirming 14 cities (as of 2015), if having an inline citation is better than having unsourced content: https://digiday.com/media/voxs-curbed-expands-focus-beyond-local/ Inkian Jason (talk) 17:05, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Included. Lordtobi (✉) 17:56, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Great, thank you. Inkian Jason (talk) 17:57, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Request for "Eater" section

Most of the properties subsections mention the editor-in-chief. Currently, the "Eater" section does not. I propose adding to the end of the existing content:

• Eater is led by editor-in-chief Amanda Kludt.

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Thank you. Inkian Jason (talk) 17:45, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

@Inkian Jason, added. Lordtobi (✉) 17:56, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. Inkian Jason (talk) 17:57, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Vox Entertainment television series

@Lordtobi: I will reply to your request above soon. In the meantime, I have another request for this article unrelated to the company's other businesses. Currently, the "Continued growth and expansion into other content areas" section briefly mentions Vox Entertainment and the division's development of online video programming. I'd like to propose an update for the end of this section, adding brief mention of the division's recent development of several television series:

Vox Entertainment announced new shows in 2018, including American Style on CNN, Explained on Netflix, No Passport Required (hosted by chef Marcus Samuelsson) on PBS, and another currently-unnamed "explainer" series on YouTube.

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This update is brief, neutral, and related to Vox Media's expansion into other content areas. You'll notice one of the television shows has a Wikipedia article of its own, so this seems like an appropriate way to connect the two articles. Thanks for your consideration. Inkian Jason (talk) 17:45, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

Source are reliable.  Done. Lordtobi (✉) 17:18, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for reviewing this request. Inkian Jason (talk) 17:26, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

Other businesses

I'd like to submit another request to make this article more complete and up to date. Currently, there are descriptions for each of Vox Media's properties, but only passing mentions of some of the company's other businesses, Concert, Chorus, and Vox Entertainment. Additionally, there is no mention of the businesses Vox Creative or the Vox Media Podcast Network. I propose renaming the "Properties" section to "Properties and businesses", and adding additional subsections with summaries of each of these businesses. Editors have every right to be skeptical of attempts to add descriptions of businesses, products, and services, but all of these are well-documented in secondary coverage, and I'm confident non-promotional, neutral descriptions can be provided for each. I don't want to give editors too much to review at once, so I'd like to submit suggestions for these one at a time. Please see below. Inkian Jason (talk) 18:41, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Concert

For a subsection dedicated to Concert, I suggest the following:

In April 2016, Vox Media and NBCUniversal launched Concert as a "premium, brand-friendly ad network" to reach more than 150 million people across their digital properties. New York Media, PopSugar, Quartz and Rolling Stone joined the marketplace in May 2018. comScore estimates the network reaches almost 90 percent of all internet users. With the new partners, Concert launched C-Suite to reach executives among brands such as CNBC, Recode, The Verge, and Vox.

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There are other sources describing Concert, but these seem representative and appropriate for providing a brief overview. My goal here is to provide a short, neutral description, mention a few notable brands/publications using the network, and demonstrate significance; "comScore estimates the network reaches almost 90 percent of all internet users" seems to show the network's importance. I'll let editors review this for accuracy and neutrality, and update the article appropriately.

Thanks for your consideration. Inkian Jason (talk) 18:41, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Inkian Jason, "businesses" sound rather bizarre in this occasion. I think "products", "services" or similar would make a better fit here. Thoughts? Lordtobi (✉) 18:03, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

@Lordtobi: Thanks for taking a look. "Business" may sound a little funny specifically for Concert, but my goal is to incorporate brief mentions of Chorus, Vox Creative, Vox Entertainment, and Vox Media Podcast Network as well. Ultimately, I think "businesses" may be best, but I understand if you think another term is more appropriate. Inkian Jason (talk) 18:06, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Inkian Jason, I see where you're coming from, and I think we can do that. I've overtaken the proposed section with some minor changes in the meanntime. Lordtobi (✉) 19:04, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. I will propose some other additions about the aforementioned companies soon. Inkian Jason (talk) 20:08, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Chorus

As I noted above, Chorus is mentioned briefly in the current introduction. I propose adding the following overview of Chorus as a new "Businesses" subsection:

Conceived in 2007, Chorus was built to be a "next-generation" publishing platform. Developed specifically for SB Nation, it "[enabled] robust commenting and forums" and "allowed the company to grow fairly seamlessly". In 2014, the founders of Curbed, Eater, and The Verge said Chorus was a key reason for partnering with Vox. In 2018, Vox Media began to license Chorus to other publishers, including Funny or Die and The Ringer. The Chicago Sun-Times signed on as the first traditional newspaper to launch on the platform in October 2018.

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This section can be further expanded over time, but I thought starting with a short, neutral overview would be best. The proposed text briefly describes the platform's development, impact on SB Nation and relation to other Vox Media properties, and later expansion to other publishers (including a traditional newspaper) via licensing.

@Lordtobi: Pinging you in case you're interested, since you helped with the Concert request above. Thanks! Inkian Jason (talk) 20:31, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Inkian Jason, could you reaffirm where the 2007 inception claim comes from? It appears as if it is not found in the two sources provided. Also, I think the section is quite quote-heavy. Would you be able to reformat it to represent better how and with which goals it was developed? Also, can you add the author of the TechCrunch cite (Eric Eldon)? Lordtobi (✉) 17:03, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

 Doing... Inkian Jason (talk) 17:27, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

@Lordtobi: Thank you for reviewing. I know there's an outstanding request for the podcast network below, but I wanted to follow up with you here re: Chorus. I've added the author's first and last name to the citation. As for the inception date, that's my mistake. The TechCrunch article, published in 2012, mentions Chorus was four years old at the time, putting the inception date at 2008. The Vox Media website also says "Launched in 2008", so I've updated the proposed text accordingly. Sorry for the confusion. I've also done some paraphrasing. Please see below:

• Conceived in 2008, Chorus was built to be a "next-generation" publishing platform. Developed specifically for SB Nation, it facilitates content creation, and implemented commenting and forums which allowed for company growth, later evolving to analyze viewership and distribute content via various multimedia platforms. In 2014, Ezra Klein and Melissa Bell left The Washington Post to join Vox Media, in part because of the publishing platform. Additionally, the founders of Curbed, Eater, and The Verge said Chorus was a key reason for partnering with Vox Media. In 2018, Vox Media began to license Chorus as a software as a service (SaaS) business to other publishers, including Funny or Die and The Ringer. The Chicago Sun-Times signed on as the first traditional newspaper to launch on the platform in October 2018.

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This version offers a better description of Chorus' features and impact. I hope you'll this this is an improvement, and again sorry for the confusion over 2007 vs. 2008. Inkian Jason (talk) 18:45, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

 Done. Lordtobi (✉) 19:32, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for taking another look. Inkian Jason (talk) 19:38, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Vox Creative

@Lordtobi: I am still working on the above request, and I've added a "doing" template as a reminder. In the meantime, I have another request related to the company's other businesses. This time I'd like to focus on Vox Creative. I propose the following as a subsection for the "Businesses" section:

Vox Creative is Vox Media's branded entertainment business. In October 2017, Vox Creative expanded to launch The Explainer Studio to bring the explainer format to brand partners. In 2016, Vox Creative's ad for "Applebee's Taste Test" won the Digiday Video Award for Best Video Ad.

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This is a very brief overview of Vox Creative. There are surely other ways to expand this section, and I may have more suggestions soon, but in the meantime I'm just hoping to get the section started. Again, I don't edit the main space directly so I'm seeking community feedback and implementation. In a previous request, content about an award nomination was rejected, but in this case the business won the awards, hence my inclusion.

Thanks again for any help, Inkian Jason (talk) 17:43, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, Lordtobi. Inkian Jason (talk) 19:12, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

Vox Entertainment

@Lordtobi: I see you moved the Vox Entertainment content down to the businesses section. I was going to request a new Vox Entertainment subsection with slightly different content, but I am fine with your change. However, I think "and signed with WME" should be removed as unsourced, and I also wonder if two additional sentences about the business' leadership could be added to the subsection, perhaps as a short second paragraph:

• Vox Entertainment is helmed by Vox Media president Marty Moe. In 2016, vice president of Vox Entertainment, Chad Mumm, was named to the Forbes 30 Under 30 and Variety's "30 Execs to Watch" list.

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Executive leaders are mentioned for the various brands, so I'm trying to update this section similarly. Thanks again for your consideration, Inkian Jason (talk) 19:28, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

 Done. Lordtobi (✉) 19:30, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

Thank you! Inkian Jason (talk) 19:32, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

Vox Media Podcast Network

@Lordtobi: Here is my final request for the businesses section. This time, I'm proposing a short overview of the Vox Media Podcast Network:

• The Vox Media Podcast Network is Vox Media's non-fiction audio programming business and has a broad portfolio of audio programming across business, technology, news and policy, sports, and dining. Shows include: Recode's "Recode Decode", hosted by Kara Swisher, and "Recode Media with Peter Kafka"; The Verge's "The Vergecast"; and Vox's "The Weeds", "The Ezra Klein Show", and "Today, Explained".

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Again, this is a very brief overview, and I'm sure there is more content to add about other podcasts. I may have suggestions for expansion in the future, but for now my goal here is to create a new subsection for further development. Thanks again. Inkian Jason (talk) 20:18, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

 Done. Lordtobi (✉) 19:32, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, Lordtobi. Inkian Jason (talk) 19:38, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

@Lordtobi: Another thought here. At the top of the "Businesses" section, I wonder if a general summary of the company's businesses, such as the following, would be helpful: "Vox Media's businesses include Chorus, Concert, Vox Creative, Vox Entertainment, and the Vox Media Podcast Network." This is just to introduce the businesses before more detail is provided in subsequent subsections. Inkian Jason (talk) 19:40, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Inkian Jason, I don't think that's necessary; it just reads aloud the following section headers. Similarly, I don't think we need need them under Properties either. Lordtobi (✉) 20:47, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Sounds good. Thanks! Inkian Jason (talk) 20:54, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Mention of businesses in introduction?

Now that the article has been updated to include sections with brief overviews of the company's businesses, I wonder if the sentence "Vox Media's brands are built on Concert, a publisher-led market place for advertising, and Chorus, its proprietary content management system" should be changed to something along the lines of, "The company's lines of business include the publishing platform Chorus, Concert, Vox Creative, Vox Entertainment, and the Vox Media Podcast Network."

@Lordtobi: Does this seem appropriate, so the introduction reflects the article in its entirety? Inkian Jason (talk) 21:11, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Inkian Jason, yup.  Done. Lordtobi (✉) 22:15, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Seems not neutral. How about a criticism section starting with the 300 employee strike

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/06/06/media/vox-media-union-walkout/index.html All the webs where out and some unionist propaganda was posted in the websites. It took over a year for an agreement. Thats not something that can be left out unintentionally. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.29.69.112 (talk) 21:56, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

I will look into this shortly, please remind me if I don't. Note that the article you cite has been published in June while there has been no actual expansion since December. Lordtobi (✉) 23:20, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

The page could also stand to have mention of all of the lawsuits filed against Vox or at least lump together the Richard Liebowitz ones because they're a bit too plentiful, honestly I don't understand how they're not mentioned at all though. This article is even cited on his page and lists Vox as one of the companies he's sued: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/05/richard-liebowitz-why-media-companies-fear-and-photographers-love-this-guy.html Mattwo7 (talk) 18:15, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Mattwo7, if this can be adequately sourced, this can be added to the article. The Slate article only says that, in an unspecified case against Vox Media, Steve Sands was represented by Richard Liebowitz. Lordtobi (✉) 14:24, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

Lordtobi, it clearly says Vox was sued by someone he represented, I don't see what the problem there is, it's at least enough to mention that much for now. What about these? https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/27106657/Wisser_v_Vox_Media,_Inc https://www.courtlistener.com/?type=r&q=docket_id%3A8408291

Only other source I could find is Law360, which requires a subscription to read full articles and I don't know what the policy on those sorts of sources is. There are of course other lawsuits the company is involved in though https://deadspin.com/court-docs-sb-nation-bosses-detail-how-much-money-team-1834062227 https://deadspin.com/former-sb-nation-site-manager-files-lawsuit-against-vox-1798715721 https://www.denverpost.com/2017/09/02/cheryl-bradley-vox-media-lawsuit/

I also stumbled across several articles claiming Vox laywers censored a YouTuber for parodying and/or criticizing a video posted to The Verge without regard for fair use. Honestly, this sort of stuff isn't that difficult to find considering how Vox is getting hammered by sources on both sides of the political spectrum as well as more neutral sources like Ars Technica, I honestly have a good deal of doubt that you care to have the controversy section or care to keep the article neutral in general. Mattwo7 (talk) 17:54, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

Mattwo7, thanks for these. There is no inherent "problem" with Slate's article, it is merely a bummer that it does not detail most of the suits it mentions (which obviously wouldn't be possible given the sheer amount of them). The two labor suits are striking, so I included them in detail, as well as a mention of the Liebowitz suits (both Wisser v. Vox Media and Chevrestt v. Vox Media are Liebowitz cases). As for the situation with the video by The Verge, this is already sufficiently covered on The Verge's own article. Lordtobi (✉) 19:47, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

Lordtobi Fair enough I guess. You're right that the issue with The Verge should be on its own article, that kind of slipped my mind. Mattwo7 (talk) 22:09, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

Brands to be added to infobox

Hello, I work for Vox Media and would like to make a few suggestions that will hopefully improve this article. I will not edit the article directly because of my conflict of interest. I would also like to ping IceWelder, who I see has been very helpful in responding to and evaluating our edit requests in the past.

1. There are a few Vox Media editorial brands that are omitted from the infobox in the "Brands" field. These include five vertical brands that are part of the New York family of brands: Intelligencer, The Cut, Vulture, Grub Street and The Strategist. There is also Recode, which was integrated into Vox but remains a distinct brand.
2. Please add a "Divisions" field to the infobox. Vox Media's business divisions are Vox Media Studios, Vox Media Podcast Network, Concert, Chorus, Coral, Vox Creative, and Epic. I will note that Epic is currently listed in the infobox as a "Brand," but it is actually a business division.

All these brands are listed on the Vox Media homepage.

Thank you, Tater graham at VM (talk) 14:56, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Tater graham at VM, thanks for the ping. I haven't been involved with this article and related pages for some time, so I might not be up to speed.

Regarding your first inquiry: we generally try to avoid bloating infoboxes, as they should contain the key -- not all -- information. I edited it to display the six current primary brands, but added NYMag's sub-brands (or "vertical brands", as you call them) to the lead section instead, just after NYMag itself is mentioned.

Furthermore, it appears that Concert, Chrous, Coral, and Forte are products, rather than divisions. They might be developed by eponymous divisions, but that is not clear from the overview page you cite. For now, I included Epic, Vox Creative, Vox Media Studios, and Vox Media Podcast Network, all of which appear to be named operating divisions, to the "Divisions" field. Regards, IceWelder [✉] 13:06, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, IceWelder, this was very helpful! I wonder if there is a way to avoid bloating the infobox while still including all 13 brands, since each of the New York Media brands is still regarded as its own distinct brand (see here, for example). What if we decrease the font size of the six additional brands, like this:

{{Infobox company
| name = Vox Media, Inc.
| logo = Vox Media Logo 2019.svg
| former_name = SportsBlogs Inc. (2005–2011)
| type = [[Privately held company|Private]]
| industry = [[Digital media]]
| founded = {{Start date and age|2005}}
| founders = {{Unbulleted list|[[Jerome Armstrong]]|[[Tyler Bleszinski]]|[[Markos Moulitsas]]}}
| hq_location_city = [[Washington, D.C.]]
| hq_location_country = U.S.
| key_people = {{Unbulleted list|[[Jim Bankoff]] ([[chairman]], [[Chief executive officer|CEO]])|[[Marty Moe]] ([[President (corporate title)|president]])|Trei Brundrett ([[Chief operating officer|COO]])}}
| brands = {{Hlist|''[[Eater (website)|Eater]]''|''[[New York (magazine)|New York]]'' {{Hlist|''Intelligencer''|''The Cut''|''Vulture''|''The Strategist''|''[[Curbed]]''|''Grub Street''|style=font-size:80%}}|''[[Polygon (website)|Polygon]]''|''[[SB Nation]]''|''[[The Verge]]''|''[[Vox (website)|Vox]]''}}
| divisions = {{Hlist|''[[Epic (magazine)|Epic]]''|Vox Creative|Vox Media Studios|Vox Media Podcast Network}}
| website = {{URL|https://www.voxmedia.com/|voxmedia.com}}
}}

Let me know what you think! Thanks, Tater graham at VM (talk) 19:04, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

@Tater graham at VM: Unfortunately, that particular change would run afoul of WP:SMALLFONT. I explored some alternatives, but nothing appears suitable to satisfy your request while keeping the infobox tidy at the same time. I test-added all brands (all sorted alphabetically) for now. I will see whether this causes any opposition and, if so, will look into other opportunities. Regards, IceWelder [✉] 21:02, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

@IceWelder: Thank you! I was unaware of WP:SMALLFONT, which seems sensible now that I see it. Your latest change to the infobox looks good to me, and of course I'll respect consensus if others are opposed. Tater graham at VM (talk) 15:04, 24 December 2020 (UTC)