Talk:Voortrekkers (youth organisation)

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Not a Scouting organisation

Although the Voortrekkers could be called a 'Scout-like organisation', the Voortrekkers do not follow Baden-Powell, make no claim to be Scouts, and I doubt they would want to be referred to as non-aligned Scouts.

So far, most or all the contributors to this page have been Scouts, not Voortrekkers. Previously most of the text was based on comparing them to Scouts, but this doesn't seem a fair reflection on them as a separate organisation.

Based on this, I've removed the article from the Scouting categories and also removed some (but not all) of the Scout references in the article.

I'll leave it up to others to write a discussion of the Afrikaner nationalist political role played by the Voortrekkers. Their history is controversial, but since they are still in existence it's unfair to judge them entirely based on that.

Zaian 12:29, 31 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. Especially in light of the role played by Baden-Powell in the Second Anglo-Boer War, the Voortrekkers really don't consider themselves Scouts in any way, shape or form. I should know, as I actually used to be one (long, long ago). Elf-friend 14:47, 31 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Voortrekkers has never been part of the Scouts, although the idea for the organisation originated because of them. The Voortrekkers is also a place where the Afrikaner youth of today can freely express their views and experience a wide variety of things. It is a place where you can feel safe. Maryke van den Berg, Transvaalse Gebiedsjeugraad 2006

Name Die Voortrekkers

I don't know how this would fit in with Wikipedia rules, but the organization is called (and registered as) Die Voortrekkers. The definite article 'The' is part of the name of the organisation. Should we mention this somewhere or change the name of the article? 196.36.71.28 (talk) 10:19, 15 February 2008 (UTC) MdJ[reply]

Politics

Given its origins within an Afrikaaner nationalist environment - why isn't there something about its past and present politics? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.211.201.166 (talk) 11:34, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

What about "Voortrekker group upset about 'pink' event 2009-08-18 Independent online (SA) A Voortrekker youth movement has voiced strong objection to a gay music festival held at the Voortrekker Monument the past weekend. The Pretoria Verkenners Jeug (PVJ) said in a statement "the bastion of Afrikaner nationalism" was no place for..." http://wn.com/Voortrekkers_(youth_organization) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.211.201.166 (talk) 11:38, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The reference above to the "Pretoria Verkenners Jeug" article does not belong in an article about Die Voortrekkers, as that organisation ("Pretoria Verkenners Jeug") is not part of or in any way affiliated to Die Voortrekkers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.35.252.130 (talk) 11:46, 28 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sadly, many people are uninformed about Die Voortrekkers, believing falsely it has something to do with politics. Die Voortrekkers is a modern Afrikaans and culture movement with POSITIVE CITIZENSHIP as one of its main values. It is also a concern to Die Voortrekkers about other politically orientated organisations with the name "Voortrekkers". It is misleading to the public and can cause severe misunderstandings. Romeo Kilo (talk) 19:28, 11 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Pictures/visual content

How do you upload pictures on a page? And if anybody have relevant images, please upload them (such as old photo's with old uniforms, events in history where the Voortrekkers were involved. Also, if anybody has more information on the uniform history of the Voortrekkers, please add it under "Organisation" as "Uniforms" Romeo Kilo 12:18, 12 July 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Proudly RSA (talk • contribs)

Information about uniforms can be found in this set of PDF files, all written in Afrikaans. I don't have time to extract images from that right now, but hopefully I will remember later. I will first put draft information here, and three months later (given the low traffic of the talk page) insert it. Oh, and permission will need to be sought to upload the pictures under an open license, since the images are owned by the organisation. --BurritoBazooka (talk) 18:04, 8 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The graphics of the log you are using is grossly incorrect. If you can tell me how, I can give you the correct .svg file. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.134.138.234 (talk) 08:05, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Incorrect Emblem/Logo

I have uploaded the correct emblem to this page. The incorrect version previously displayed caused mass confusion within the organisation as it was the first version Google returned. The official emblem may be freely used and distributed but it must conform to the corporate identity document created by the organisation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaco vanderwalt (talk • contribs) 12:28, 5 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Update to current flag

The Voortrekkers youth organization have adopted the Flag of Natalia Republic, as mentioned in that article.

I'll update the article and link to the flag on the Flag of Natalia Republic as it is already uploaded. If anyone thinks I should reupload the image with an updated name, let me know and I'll do it.

Source for this can be found in multiple places; here is one.

Point 4 on https://voortrekkers.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Hoofstuk-02-Simbole-van-Die-Voortrekkers.pdf --Hannesvz (talk) 09:46, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]