Talk:Volkswagen Polo R WRC

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Rally titles

@Pelmeen10 — you need to go back and check every single entry list for rallies between 2013 and 2016. Your decision to change the titles was based on an argument made in 2018, but rally titles can and do change. You need to make sure that all of the rally titles are accurate. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 10:03, 3 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I do not. I was removing unsourced material. We talked about these invented titles in WP:MOTOR and only place to use official rally names are on those event articles, everywhere else is enough to have a direct link. --Pelmeen10 (talk) 13:29, 3 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Pelmeen10 —

"I do not. I was removing unsourced material."

No, you replaced unsourced material with unsourced material. I have already demonstrated, for instance, that the 2018 Rallye Monte Carlo was known as the "86ème Rallye Automobile Monte Carlo". Where is your evidence that the titles named in this article are, in fact, the titles used by those rallies? Prisonermonkeys (talk) 00:11, 4 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You already over-replaced my edits. I left simple links to each event - because the column title is "Event", not "Official rally name". This car article does not need to have the official names (they include sponsors), it gives no extra value. So you are making it too complicated, and again, unsourced. If there's a direct link to the event, everybody can see the actual name by clicking there. Unless those articles contain false names - which is possible by looking at your edits with rally names (even with sources, you like to invent titles: 2018 Rally Sweden being the latest example where I had to correct you). --Pelmeen10 (talk) 00:59, 4 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Volkswagen Polo R WRC/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Iazyges (talk · contribs) 17:20, 9 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Will start soon. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 17:20, 9 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Criteria

GA Criteria

GA Criteria:

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2.d Y (3.8% is highest.)
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No DAB links Y
No dead links Y
No missing citations N:
1. Mikkelsen was entered separately to allow him an additional thirty days of testing for the year, rather than having to share the existing test quota for manufacturer teams with Ogier and Latvala.
2. In doing so, Ogier and Volkswagen broke Sébastien Loeb and Citroën's streak of nine consecutive World Drivers' and Manufacturers' Championship titles respectively.
3. but the team did not nominate him to score manufacturer points in Australia.
4. and finishing in the points in every rally. Latvala's win in Argentina, the ninth consecutive win by the Polo R WRC, broke the previous record of eight consecutive rally victories set by the Citroën DS3 WRC in 2011.
5. Latvala finished the event second, with Mikkelsen struggling through the dust to seventh place. With his second World Championship title secured, Ogier went on to win the Wales Rally GB. Latvala and Mikkelsen struggled throughout, with Latvala finishing eighth and Mikkelsen retiring.
6. Ogier and Latvala contested the entire season with the updated Polo, while Mikkelsen started the season with a car built to 2014 specifications before switching to the 2015 build ahead of the Rally of Portugal.
7. prompting team principal Jost Capito to admit that his drivers' championship campaign was potentially over after just three rounds.
8. Latvala crashed out on the opening leg of the rally and after restarting the next day, went on to finish fiftieth overall and was classified as the final driver eligible to score manufacturer points. Volkswagen Motorsport finished the season with twelve wins from thirteen rallies, while sister team Volkswagen Motorsport II were classified fifth in the final standings.
9. The final round of the season took place in Australia and saw Mikkelsen claim his third rally win ahead of Ogier and Thierry Neuville. Latvala finished ninth overall after clipping a guardrail on the opening stage and breaking his suspension.

@Prisonermonkeys: I will be placing the review on hold until the missing citations are dealt with. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 13:12, 4 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- @Iazyges: — thanks for doing this. It might take me some time to address it; in the meantime, I am hoping I can enlist the likes of @Pelmeen10, @Tvx1, @MNSZ, @ToniGlu92 and @Kovpastish to help track down the missing references. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 00:47, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Iazyges, Prisonermonkeys, it has been one month since the review and the response. Pelmeen10 supplied references for two of the nine listed above, and added "citation needed" templates for the remaining seven, both on April 18, over two weeks ago. Will those seven cites be found soon? BlueMoonset (talk) 16:21, 5 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

User:BlueMoonset, I'm quite sure that all of that info can't be sourced. It could be true (I didn't write it though), but those sources are just not hanging around. --Pelmeen10 (talk) 05:45, 3 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Pelmeen10: The info will either need to be cited or removed. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 04:18, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Iazyges: Done. --Pelmeen10 (talk) 16:32, 21 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Prose Suggestions

Please note that all of these are suggestions, and can be implemented or ignored at your discretion.

which are based upon the existing Super 2000 regulations, but powered by a turbocharged 1.6-litre engine rather than the normally aspirated 2-litre engine found in Super 2000 cars. suggest:
which are based upon the existing Super 2000 regulations, but are powered by a turbocharged 1.6-litre engine instead of an aspirated 2-litre engine.
with over seventy-five percent of the car having been developed during the off-season suggest changing developed to "modified".
That is all my suggestions, passing now. -- Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 21:52, 21 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Links

Here's a link to statistics made by wrc.com: Volkswagen's four years in numbers. --Pelmeen10 (talk) 17:28, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Cells at Complete World Rally Championship results

Dear IP user, this does not have a consensus on WP:Motor, you have made this up. But my version is used across rally articles especially every rally team's article - Category:World Rally Championship teams - click on any of them and see it yourself. Now, these cells filled with rally names (example 1 - rounds 1-12) only mean that the driver can start at an event but has not.

Example1:

Year	Entrant	Driver	Co-driver	Rounds													Points	WCM pos.
Year	Entrant	Driver	Co-driver	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10	11	12	13	Points	WCM pos.
2013	Volkswagen Motorsport II	Andreas Mikkelsen	Mikko Markkula	MCO	SWE	MEX	PRT	ARG	GRE	ITA	FIN	DEU	AUS	FRA	ESP	GBR 1	25	7th

And when a driver can not have a start at a event, then the cell is totally empty, bringing you an example from Citroën World Rally Team:

Year	Entrant	Car	No	Driver	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10	11	12	13	14	WDC	Points	WMC	Points
2001	Automobiles Citroën	Citroën Xsara WRC	14	Philippe Bugalski	MON	SWE	POR	ESP 8	ARG	CYP	GRC 6	KEN	FIN	NZL	ITA Ret	FRA Ret	AUS	GBR	22nd	1	–	–
			15	Jesús Puras	MON	SWE	POR	ESP Ret	ARG	CYP					ITA Ret	FRA 1	AUS	GBR	11th	10
			15	Thomas Rådström							GRC Ret	KEN	FIN	NZL					15th	6
			20	Sébastien Loeb	MON	SWE	POR	ESP	ARG	CYP	GRC	KEN	FIN	NZL	ITA 2	FRA	AUS	GBR	14th	6

No 15 car is shared between 2 drivers, and totally empty cell = no possible start. And in our case - 2 co-drivers share 1 driver = totally empty cell. Plase stop the edit war, nothing supports your version. --Pelmeen10 (talk) 10:49, 25 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Don't go accusing people of edit-warring if you're guilty of it yourself. You're well aware that you're supposed to start this discussion before you start requesting page protection or getting admins involved. You made no attempt to justify your inititial edits based on any precedent and your argument that including the event name in an empty cell implies that there was an entry makes absolutely no sense considering that the other cells are shaded and contain results. This article was perfectly stable until you came along. Looking at your edit history, the same can be said of most articles that you edit.1.144.111.244 (talk) 12:07, 25 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Can we not go personal here, please. That doesn't help the discussion forward in any way. Pelmeen10 has made some good points here. No other similar table have the rally names in every cell per year for the same driver. This table was the one being out of step and their good-faith edits were good. I feel the table is even a bit easier to read now. There is no need to take such offense to such a basic tweak. By the way Pelmeen10, this IP is Prisonermonkeys.T v x1 12:40, 25 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, okay. Thanks. --Pelmeen10 (talk) 14:43, 25 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"There is no need to take such offense to such a basic tweak."

I'm not taking offence. I just find him frustrating to deal with because he doesn't listen. He's almost as bad as you. 09:10, 26 July 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.129.108.50 (talk)