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February 2015

Evidence the company is abusing Wikipedia to remove fully sourced, high relevant, and cited material about origin of Vocativ, basic claims about technology, and the background of founder. The company founder quoted in Fast Company Forbes and New York Times (see wiki citation record) discussing its origin in spying and intelligence. This should not be removed. Clear hiring of professional Wiki editor. Also high relevant that founder continues active in selling security solutions (Hartez and Markor) in the Middle East and Arab states. Erasing this is attempt to deny truth from reliable sources cited fully.

Several edits come only from a person who edit articles on Vivian Schiller who is listed as a consultant. Several edits come only from a person who edits entries relevant to IMG and WME, which are shareholders in Vocativ (see New York Times). Inclusion of items of an application called "Tinder for voting" can not be less important

See entire source record of citations.

Not defamation to cite Haaretz and the Markor and Fast Company which say Intelligence gathering is the root of Vocativ and is mingled with current business for Israel and Arab countries.

Public relations and company employees are listed in the revision history.

3i:Mind is consistently cited in New York Times and Fast Company as origin of Vocativ technology, and its activity currently is highly relevant. Wiki is allowing Vocativ consultant to manipulate access to page.

Background of current employees in the national security and signal intelligence infrastructure is highly relevant to company number one message about "taking tools of NSA and transfer for good."

Clarification of the Deep Web

Edits from December 13th, 2014 clarified the definition of the Deep Web, citing articles by The New York Times and Fast Company.

“The company uses Deep Web technology, originally developed for corporations and repurposed for news-gathering and journalism. Vocativ's proprietary technology mines open databases and public social media posts to develop news content.”

Undisputed Facts that Vandals Manipulated in December 2014

Vocativ's founder, Mati Kochavi, was defamed with multiple unfounded claims that used libelous and damaging language under the guise of “sourced content”; the "source" is a blog with dubious sourcing, not a news publication of record.

Vocativ does not have a location in Abu Dhabi (no evidence to support claim otherwise).

Vocativ does not offer a site in Hebrew (no evidence to support claim otherwise).

""Changes Made Again to Combat Vandalism to Page in February 2015""

Disparaging content has been repeatedly edited into this page's content, and frequently cites illegitimate, non-traditional, and unfounded articles. Fixes were attempted to correct the damaging content on February 5, 2015. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.54.157.199 (talk) 03:55, 6 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

WP:SYNTH

This article had a very serious problem with WP:SYNTH - copious amounts of articles that didn't mention Vocativ at all, the use of social media posts to make non-NPOV assertions, and a very heavy slant towards trivial information such as individual staff firings and/or the commentary of individual bloggers. Most of this content has been removed now, and moving forward, we need to be more careful about using proper sources when adding material. Usterday (talk) 16:33, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You still needed to remove NPOV on the positive side, so I did so. 24.114.68.111 (talk) 04:25, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Edit warring

User:Largeinthehipsroomy: removing sourced content from a page without explanation is contrary to Wikipedia's rules. As is attempting to use non-WP:RS references to support WP:SYNTH. Let us discuss this here so that the edit-warring can cease. Thank you! Usterday (talk) 13:18, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I further invite User:Trixleworks, who appears to be replicating the edits of the above mentioned user. Usterday (talk) 19:37, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Neutrality dispute

Over the entirety of 2015 there have been promotional edits. Negative material was scrubbed (even if some was poorly sourced), and more flattering and advertorial material was added. Chestmas (talk) 13:44, 2 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Is your account related to the numerous accounts blocked for disruptively editing this article? It sure looks like it.Intermittentgardener (talk) 13:45, 2 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I have no idea what you are talking about, and could just as easily accuse you of collusion with your removal of anything unflattering on Vocativ, just as previous editors had in the past. But that doesn't get anybody anywhere. The point of opening this dispute is to resolve the unbalanced nature of how Vocativ is being shown in Wikipedia. Care to comment? Chestmas (talk) 13:49, 2 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You seem to know a lot about Wikipedia and this history of editing on this article for someone who has no idea what I am talking about. It is pretty clear that you are a banned user attempting to evade a block. As for the content, if you really cared about it, you would have made changes to substantively improve it. Instead you are fomenting conflict.Intermittentgardener (talk) 13:51, 2 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I tried to add improvement banners to this article, and you removed them without addressing the issues. That was a fomenting conflict. This here is an effort to resolve it. I would say pretty much the entire entry reads as an advertisement right now. It could take some time to get it right, but let's put in the effort here to do so. Chestmas (talk) 13:55, 2 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Banned users get their edits reverted, regardless of their merits. You are very clearly trying to evade a block.Intermittentgardener (talk) 13:57, 2 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This is the kind of aggressive behavior that is not helpful IG. If you cannot discuss the clear lack of neutrality on the Vocativ entry, then it is good that I opened this dispute. That way we can get some outside eyes in here to talk about it. Chestmas (talk) 13:59, 2 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Over the next week or so I will try to pull out what are the likely spots that need most improvement. Chestmas (talk) 14:04, 2 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

As an additional vie for some compromise, please do let me know exactly why you are suspicious of my edits and how they are similar to any past editors (I believe you are talking about those that tried to add unflattering information to the page, which I do not intend to do necessarily), as I am really not seeing this. I certainly do not want to support any activity with any other goal than solving this dispute. Chestmas (talk) 14:13, 2 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

2016

The article now reads like a poster-boy advertisement, and not a WP article. All the criticism seems to be removed, irregardless of sourcing. For example, compare March 2015 and current. Sander Säde 07:53, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The material that was removed was usually improper and added by a user who had now been banned. I don't see any POV problems in the article. If you have specific objections you should raise them.Intermittentgardener (talk)

March 2016 Edits

New Vocativ logo added, Greg Gittrich removed as Chief Content Officer, Mati Kochavi added as Founder. All factual changes. Edits made by user Kas7678, an employee of Vocativ. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kas7678 (talk • contribs) 21:14, 4 April 2016‎

Wikipedia requires verifiability, not personal expertise. Please provide reliable sources for changes. Simply saying they are factual is not good enough. Grayfell (talk) 21:34, 4 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

For Greg Gittrich - see link http://adage.com/article/media/vocativ-editorial-changes-dark-net/303100/

That'll work. Grayfell (talk) 23:18, 4 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]