Talk:Virginia Vallejo

Biographies of living persons

I believe both this article and its talk page will probably have to be deleted and started over due to significant amounts of material in both the article and its talk page due to violations of Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons. Please immediately remove any information about any living person that does not have a reliable source from both the article and the talk page. I do not read Spanish, and in the absence of a responsible Spanish speaking editor, will after a short time, delete all material violating Biographies of living persons that does not have a good source in a reliable publication in English. Fred Talk 21:03, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

I have verified that Virginia Vallejo (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is indeed the subject of this article. That account is not blocked. Please do not remove comments that she may make on the talk page, unless, of course, they violate Biographies of living persons. Fred Talk 21:03, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

As a matter of principle, I have little or nothing to say against your assessment of the situation and the subsequent course of action. If there is anything in particular that requires further comments or contributions on my part, I am willing to cooperate and will try to do so. Juancarlos2004 (talk) 21:50, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

I have deleted both the article and the talk page. There is undoubtedly good material within what was deleted, but it is so intermingled with unacceptable material that it could not be saved. In rebuilding the article, please do not insert material that concern unproven allegations until there has been a final judicial determination of the matter. Fred Talk 00:32, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

lover to Pablo Escobar

This significant and noteworthy fact is currently mentioned only in a subclause, and one without a reference: In early July 2006, Vallejo offered her testimony in the case against Alberto Santofimio,[38] a former Justice Minister and associate of Pablo Escobar, head of the Medellín cartel and her lover from 1983 to 1987.

Please add this to the chronology of her biography as its own statement, source this fact specifically (and then probably add it to the lead as well). CapnZapp (talk) 09:41, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Requesting to unprotect the page

I am a journalist, an editor of media outlets, and a professional editor of Wikipedia. Among my works for Wikipedia in English is the page of Prof. Jaime Jaramillo Arango.

Virginia Vallejo is a well-recognized journalist and a celebrity anchorwoman with a career of 45 years and awards, and also a bestselling author of Penguin Random House. She makes her living from her work, and it is unfair to eliminate her last job in 2019 before the pandemic.

We are requesting to unprotect the page, so we can post her recent work for the leading international television channel RT; a link to the movie Loving Pablo based on her book; and a link that proves her legal residence in Miami, Florida, since her arrival to the United States in a special flight of the DOJ on July 18, 2006.--Bloque5 (talk) 01:09, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello Bloque5. First off, anyone can request an edit to a protected page. Visit Template:Edit request to learn more. I don't personally know the specific reasons why this page was protected, but there likely is a good reason. Perhaps the best start is for you to suggest one or two edits, and we can go from there? Cheers CapnZapp (talk) 09:03, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Please note - if you have a conflict of interest or are a paid editor, you should first try the Edit Request Wizard instead.

Feel free to ask here on help if you have any questions. CapnZapp (talk) 09:03, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Some proposed changes

Virginia Vallejo is a political asylee with many enemies among the Colombian government, leading media that support presidents and their families, and the military. In 2009, they tried to kill her in Miami, the reason why the United States granted her political asylum the following year. She makes her living from her work as a television journalist and an author.

Recently, Wikipedia editor/s vandalized her biography with her recent work, both in the introduction of her biography and in the section Career in the Media. It is unfair for a persecuted political asylee that Wikipedia allows vandals to eliminate her recent work as a journalist; the links to her bestselling book translated to 15 languages; and the movie Loving Pablo, inspired in her memoir and with Penelope Cruz in the role of the Colombian journalist.

We are requesting to unprotect the page, so we can post again her last work before the pandemic; the above mentioned links, and a link that proves her residency in Miami, Florida, since her arrival to the United States in a special flight of the DOJ/DEA on July 18, 2006 to save her life, and testify in high-profile criminal cases like the assassination of a Colombian presidential candidate and the massacre of the siege of the Palace of Justice that resulted in convictions of 23 years in jail to a former justice minister and 40 years to retired generals and colonels, respectively.

For these reasons, we are requesting to reinstate the texts and links vandalized by editor/s that acted as enemies of Vallejo’s work.

A. In the introduction:

In 2007, she published her first book, Loving Pablo, Hating Escobar, which led the Colombian justice system to reopen the cases of the Palace of Justice siege (1985), and the assassination of the presidential candidate Luis Carlos Galán (1989). The book was translated to fifteen languages and made into a movie in 2018.

Vallejo currently resides in Miami, Florida. In 2019, she returned to her work as a television journalist for the international channel Actualidad RT.

B. In Career in the Media, 2019:

A brief description of her last work before the pandemic, with the links that support it:

In 2019, Vallejo returned to her work as a television journalist for the international channel RT en Español or RT Actualidad. The twelve episodes, titled as "Sueños y Pesadillas" - "Dreams and Nightmares" in English - were inspired by the "American dream". During her interviews to dozens of Latino immigrants, aspiring politicians and prominent writers like Isabel Allende, Vallejo described many of the problems facing the United States, like the huge gap between wealth and poverty, violence and guns, LGBTQ and discrimination of gender, and the high cost of healthcare, among others. --Bloque5 (talk) 15:50, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Comment: As far as I can see, this edit request pretty much wants the following edit reverted: Revision as of 10:33, 14 June 2021 by David Gerard (rm deprecated source RT per WP:RSP). Regards, CapnZapp (talk) 20:41, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: There are no issues with the article and this ER is written in an non-neutral tone. Denied. Quetstar (talk) 01:07, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

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Proposal to revert the latest editions

The recent work of Virginia Vallejo, the Colombian television journalist, author and political asylee, disappeared from her Wikipedia page recently.

In consequence, I am requesting Wikipedia to revert the edits made by the user David_Gerard on June 14, 2021, so other editors can put a brief description of Vallejo’s last work.--Bloque5 (talk) 00:28, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Comment: From WP:RSP: "There is consensus that RT [Russia Today] is an unreliable source, publishes false or fabricated information, and should be deprecated along the lines of the Daily Mail. Many editors describe RT as a mouthpiece of the Russian government that engages in propaganda and disinformation." David Gerard simply removed information sourced by this deprecated source, a good edit in my book. CapnZapp (talk) 07:29, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Yep. If there's a good solid source in a clear WP:RS, use that. If there isn't, it shouldn't be in - David Gerard (talk) 09:03, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

To clarify, this edit proposal (to revert Gerard's edit) will likely be denied, Bloque5. Instead you will have better luck if you write up new text that is neutral and references good sources. That assumes there are such good sources. If there aren't, the information should not appear on Wikipedia. CapnZapp (talk) 11:04, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

@Bloque5: It has been a few days since the last comment here about your request, so I have closed it to help the backlog. Feel free to reopen it if you'd like to make an edit like CapnZapp said. Signed, I Am Chaos (talk) 06:09, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Proposal, cont'd

The editor that vandalized Virginia Vallejo’s page in Wikipedia, in order to erase her most recently work for a leading European television channel, justified his act with the absurd argument that “someone in London had informed him that the channel RT is dedicated to spreading fake news”. Unfortunately, the editor and the London partner are committing two crimes: defamation against a powerful outlet with studios in three continents, and discrimination against a very well-known television journalist and bestselling author; and are exposing the Wikipedia Foundation to legal actions. The television channel Actualidad RT, for which Virginia Vallejo worked before the pandemic, has studios in Washington D.C., Miami, New York, Madrid, Mexico and Buenos Aires. Vallejo’s recent work for Actualidad RT consisted of 12 episodes with more than 100 interviews, titled as “Sueños y Pesadillas con Virginia Vallejo”. They were inspired in the American dream, and took place in four American states: Miami-FL, New York- NY, San Francisco- CA and several locations of Texas. All these videos have been in YouTube since 2019, and prove the work of the journalist is not an invention or fake news, but facts. They prove also that the political asylee lives in Miami since her arrival to the United States in 2006. For all these reasons, I am requesting to allow this editor to upload this material to her Wikipedia page, with the links that support it.

A. In the introduction:

In 2007, she published her first book, Loving Pablo, Hating Escobar, which led the Colombian justice system to reopen the cases of the Palace of Justice siege (1985), and the assassination of the presidential candidate Luis Carlos Galán (1989). The book was translated to fifteen languages and made into a movie in 2018.

Vallejo currently resides in Miami, Florida. In 2019, she returned to her work as a television journalist for the international channel Actualidad RT.

B. In Career in the Media, 2019:

In 2019, Vallejo returned to her work as a television journalist for the international channel RT en Español or Actualidad RT. The twelve episodes, titled as "Sueños y Pesadillas" - "Dreams and Nightmares" in English - were inspired by the "American dream", and describe problems like the huge gap between wealth and poverty, violence and guns, LGBTQ and discrimination of gender, and the high cost of healthcare, among others. --Bloque5 (talk) 02:38, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

Bloque5: if you profess to be a serious journalist you need to learn how Wikipedia works. Trying to add information with poor sources like Russia Today will never get you any results. Neither will insulting other members. David Gerard is an editor in good standing, and I find his edits to be useful, and entirely uncontroversial. Please familiarize yourself with the policies of Wikipedia and treat your fellow editors with respect before you attempt to add to the project again. CapnZapp (talk) 08:52, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

To my fellow editors: I am not only a professional journalist, but also a serious, rigorous and very fair Wikipedia editor. I am familiar with the policies of the Wikipedia Foundation, and the principles on which Jimmy Wales and Larry Sanger created an entity as admirable as Wikipedia. I respect not only my fellow Wikipedia editors, but also every person, whether they like or dislike a given personality, a foreign government, a religion, or a media outlet. I have never used the power of Wikipedia to discriminate others because I do not share their political opinion or religious beliefs, or curtail the career of my colleagues, especially those in position of vulnerability, like political asylees or refugees that earn their living from their work. It seems the editor CapnZapp did not read all my reasons for my third request to update the page of the journalist and author Virginia Vallejo; only my valid reasons to complain. Obviously, there are no sources about “Virginia Vallejo’s work in Russia”, for the simple reason she has never worked in Russia; only in the United States of America, her permanent residence since 2006. The international television channel RT -with headquarters in Moscow- has studios all over the world, including United States and cities like Miami, Washington-DC and New York-NY. The 12 episodes of Virginia Vallejo for RT en Español /RT Actualidad were made in Florida, California, New York and Texas; and her more than 100 interviews for the American-based television channel can be seen in You Tube since 2019. The editors that protected this page eliminated completely the recent work of the political asylee before the pandemic, together with links that prove Miami as her legal residence, and links to the Wikipedia page of her first book and the Wikipedia page of the movie based on it. For these reasons, I am requesting my fellow Wikipedia editors to support this respectful and valid petition.--Bloque5 (talk) 00:46, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

 Comment:I want to comment that the editor Bloque5 has been banned from the Spanish Wikipedia for being an account created exclusively for promotional editing about Virginia Vallejo, harassment and legal threats against the Wikimedia Foundation, using multiple Sockpuppets.--Jalu (talk) 04:51, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

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