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Mugshot

I understand that there has been some back and forth regarding the use of Viper's mugshot as the article picture, but at this juncture, now that the dust has settled and there are numerous credible sources corroborating the set of events, would it still be considered defamatory to present that picture as the article header? My reasoning is purely that the only other public domain image is nearing 11 years old, and as far as I understand, Mugshots are public domain imagery in the state of Texas, in which the picture was taken, and I have taken great care to be neutral with regards to the image description and presentation. Cinnnnamondust (talk) 05:33, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

THOD5

There should be some mention of Lee Carter's apparent slow suicide attempt by what he terms "The Hornace of Death" or "THOD" for short. He has talked about it quite often and it's notable as he may in fact actually die or disfigure himself with it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6C44:7F:FD64:0:6301:D035:D01 (talk) 03:53, 25 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Agreed, this artist is notable. Hza a 9 (talk) 19:05, 20 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Discography

Unsure as to how best to deal with the discography section. Clarified it to a "partial" discography vis-a-vis Wesley Willis, another outsider artist with output too prolific to easily record, but aside from You'll Cowards I am unsure how the notability of individual Viper releases would be measured, how best to format or pare down the list. Could remove altogether? Felineastatine (talk) 14:16, 6 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I have noticed plenty of vandalism in the discography -- people adding false albums in a similar style of Viper's album-naming. In order to try keep the list accurate, I have replaced the entire section with a fully referenced list of all albums, retrieved from Spotify. Yes, there are plenty of albums with the same name. I concede that the list is ugly, but I think it's an important starting point to have all albums referenced. RadishSlice (talk) 09:50, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'd say we should focus on those albums which are the subject of third-party coverage. For all I can tell they're all self-published, and there seems to be no limit to the amount of "albums" one can publish on Spotify. The total number, and the few albums that are mentioned in reliable sources, should suffice. Huon (talk) 21:33, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Does the full list have any place on wikipedia (standalone discography article, standalone list)? If not, I will think about creating a website hosting an up-to-date list as a reference. The precedent I mainly wanted to set was to have albums correctly cited, as I believe citogenesis can be a prominent issue in this case.RadishSlice (talk) 19:20, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Is this section a prank? Am I being punked right now? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.36.153.251 (talk) 09:19, 17 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not really a prank - as you can see from the references they are all albums publish by Viper to Spotify. However the list seems to fluctuate -- I have updated it so it is up-to-date today, but the number of total albums dropped from 929 to 742. And then there's the presentation of the list, which is indeed quite comical in its verbosity - see Huon's comments regarding this above. Personally I believe that the album titles (if not song titles) are a major part of the interest in Viper, so is a valuable element of the article. So I'm happy with the status quo, but not averse to clean-ups/different approaches. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RadishSlice (talk • contribs) 21:54, 17 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

not how discographies work, uploading tunes to Spotify does not constitute a "release." These are essentially self-published items, please read WP:NMG Semitransgenic _talk. 22:18, 19 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. I've added External link to page which lists his Spotify releases. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RadishSlice (talk • contribs) 02:12, 20 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

to the reverter, please don't. Please talk here, and please read Semitransgenic _talk. 08:48, 20 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not all of Viper's releases are self-published. He's under three labels, so it would be possible to compile a valid discography. Quiltyquilty (talk) 20:30, 20 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

sure, valid notable releases, but not every single piece of material this guy uploaded to Spotify, that's absurd. Semitransgenic _talk. 22:05, 20 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

continually reverting is not going to move anything forward. Focus on the item that did actually receive some kind of baseline coverage to pass for inclusion here, that's the mixtape. Semitransgenic _talk. 09:11, 24 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think this page is subject to a COI so much as it is Viper's fanbase not understanding the standards that a page has to follow, and refusing to learn. I forgot to login, but the most recent edit is mine. It's 10 albums that Viper recently re-released under his label. (talk) 20:46, 28 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

possibly, who knows really, lots of people are exploiting Wikipedia for SEO purposes these days... Semitransgenic _talk. 23:43, 28 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I understand that this section is large, clunky, and prone to vandalism, but surely it was the best thing about this page, and the best thing about Viper. Without it, it's just not the same. 1414domination (talk) 17:08, 5 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

references to check

The below was listed as "Further Reading" which is not appropriate, keeping these as possible references. Please check first before using them.

"Meet Viper, The Genius Rapper Behind "You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack"". Noisey July 15, 2013 Jeremy Gordon. Retrieved 11 January 2015.
"Viper the Rapper". MTV. Retrieved 11 January 2015.
"Viper the Rapper Interview". WSOE 89.3 FM November 11, 2013 Mack White. Retrieved 11 January 2015.
"This week in ridiculous rap". Phat Friend December 18, 2014. Retrieved 11 January 2015.
""VIPER" RAPPER RELEASES 347 ALBUMS IN 2014". BISHOPDEVILLE.COM January 3, 2015. Retrieved 20 January 2015.
"Viper Interview". YouTube (WetWillyPictures). Retrieved 22 January 2015.

Semi-protected 1 month

IPs please read the above discussion and work towards a consensus for your additions. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 02:11, 14 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

A Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion

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Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. —Community Tech bot (talk) 10:22, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Interview

Found

"KRLX - An interview with VIPER". web.archive.org. 2015-07-09. Retrieved 2019-08-20.

WhisperToMe (talk) 19:21, 25 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"Record producers from California"?

If he was born in Arkansas and lived in Texas since age 5, why is one of his categories "record producers from California"? i dont know how to edit that but someone else should remove it

Semi-protected edit request on 6 January 2024

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Remove him as Originator of Cloud Rap, since he's confirmed to not be Cloud Rap by multiple originators of the genre. Deargatekeeper (talk) 16:31, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

what are your sources? Gravyd2 (talk) 11:44, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: The page's protection level has changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. RudolfRed (talk) 16:53, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

CPS Claim

https://i.redd.it/xzdgnuwzlmw61.jpg

This is my source for the CPS claim on the viper page (by viper himself on his twitter), but I do not have a twitter account so I cannot find it. Could you potentially find this to source? Logimite (talk) 01:46, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Could anyone* typo Logimite (talk) 01:47, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why is there no source for the claim that viper sells fraudulent merchandise? 2601:405:C100:57A0:DA3:4FE2:7900:C12C (talk) 15:57, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

this page should not have been un-protected. So many unsourced and potentially defamatory edits. the main picture was changed too for no reason Gravyd2 (talk) 16:54, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Some of the stuff is directly stated by him on his twitter I just couldn't find out how to link it as a citation. 2600:8802:1005:3D00:8D01:36D8:9286:61E1 (talk) 06:54, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Capitalisation

Sex offender in the introductory paragraph shouldn't be capitalised JSTLF (talk) 01:13, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]