Talk:Vincent Bach Corporation

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Pensions

In the strike section, there was an unsourced statement that union retirees lost their pensions. This is contradicted by Stuckey, Mike, Little sympathy, but much at stake for strikers, MSNBC, Copyright 2009, at pro-union website www.etruth.com/Know/News/Story.aspx?id=480346 retrieved 5/25/2011. That in fact states that "If the union is decertified at Conn-Selmer, local leaders say the strike would finally end and they'd lose their $200 per week strike benefits and union-paid medical insurance. But many of their members would be free to pursue retirement benefits." Retirees $6,000 life insurance policies were cancelled by the company during the strike, but there is no documentation I can find of any retiree losing his/her pension.--Rwberndt (talk) 20:45, 25 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The footnote prior to that sentence (in the same paragraph) included this quote: "Members will no longer receive $200 weekly strike assistance checks or health insurance paid by the union, on top of being jobless, and retirees won't get their pensions back." I'll restore the sentence you feared a "libelous" and add the citation. The article you post is also pretty good, and I'll see if I can plug it in somewhere; although it was written months prior to the article already cited, before the end of the strike, so if they contradict on the pensions, I'd give more weight to the article that was written later. Canute (talk) 01:03, 27 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The article cited as the source of the loss-of-pensions information remains the only source I can find for that. It was written by an intern at the paper and after some time now, repeated requests to the editorial staff of the Tribune for a fact-check have only resulted in a statement that they will contuinue to look into it. While not denying the statement, they are at present also unable to confirm.--Rwberndt (talk) 16:36, 30 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A quick call to the union and some employees could clear this up. 2601:181:8301:4510:5119:C8ED:A1B3:D902 (talk) 13:59, 16 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Chinese made. The student lines are Chinese made - for how long? Currently there are ebay etc offers of professional level Bach Stradivarius trumpet models at what is called "wholesale price". These are about 10% of the USA retail which sounds normal markup. Are thes real Bachs - ie are some of these professional models also made in China. 2601:181:8301:4510:A539:EC88:EFAF:27F4 (talk) 23:26, 22 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

→The Bach Stradivarius trumpets continue to be and have been made in Elkhart Indiana since 1965. The Bach TR-300H2 horns are made at Conn-Selmer Eastlake (Ohio) with bells made at Bach Elkhart. The other Bach trumpets (TR-200, TR-500, TR-600) were being made off-shore (the TR-300 was also briefly in 2009), but are now built in Eastlake according to the company website.

Strike - union wanted pensions and company wanted quality. So it appears that the company lost 2/3 of its skilled craftsmen and the union may have ( or not) had the pensions adjusted? Where can I hire off the street to replace craftsmen - maybe only in the Midwest. 2601:181:8301:4510:5119:C8ED:A1B3:D902 (talk) 14:07, 16 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The company was not interested in "improving quality" per public records. They were losing money to Chinese imports. Blessing was given a contract to make some Bach horns ( a former Bach worker was at Blessing at the time). Interestingly one women learned to swear in Spanish so she could welcome the strike breakers to work each morning. If a professional Chinese trumpet costs about $200 - reviewed on youtube videos where the pro player begrudgingly admits they are good, even though their faces look kinda whiney - I assume Bach Strads are destined for China - I suspect they may already be ( I, on a whim got one, and can't tell the difference either. 2601:181:8301:4510:D40D:3E9A:B729:657C (talk) 02:15, 7 July 2019 (UTC) The beginner and intermediate trumpets, etc have been made in China for years - getting good reviews and engraved "Made in USA" , and price jacked up 10x if you buy a single trumpet and jacked 30x or more if you buy wholesale. 2601:181:8301:4510:D40D:3E9A:B729:657C (talk) 02:15, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]