Talk:Vicky Beeching

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This is still a work in progress. I will try and fix it up a bit better later. joanna 07:41, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Additionally, parts of it are written like an advert. Eg: "In April 2008 Vicky briefly went back to her roots in the UK and performed at Spring Harvest in Minehead, England. Her performance brung new emotion and a lively attitude for teenagers in the iScape group to praise and worship God. There were hundreds of teenagers and young adults jumping around and praising God in a week of awesome Worship."

-Anon

This entire article reads like an advert. Needs serious clean-up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Upstairsdownstairs2266 (talk • contribs) 16:21, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Yes, you're right! I've just done a major pruning exercise. Feline Hymnic (talk) 20:52, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Academic qualifications

There is a reference to 'an Oxford degree' - but in what and at what level. I've heard a rumour she is working towards a PhD etc. Can this be clarified. Her website is unhelpful - or at least what I found! Ender's Shadow Snr (talk) 00:17, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Arguably the most influential Christian of her generation?

This quote is highly exaggerated. Very few Christians even know who Vicky Beeching is. Where are her number 1 Christian songs, or even number 10? Even if they were, she wouldn't be "the most influential Christian of her generation"; there's not argument there. Oh, right, her Twitter following, as if that's an arguable influence for Christians; yes, all Christians are on Twitter. She only has 58.8 thousand followers, as opposed to other Christian musicians Matt Redman has 346 thousand followers and David Crowder with 370 thousand followers. But, I wouldn't say they are the most influential Christians of our generation. Ridiculous. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.94.147.232 (talk) 17:36, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

You're being disingenuous. The term is completely qualified and supported with a reference. Walter Görlitz (talk) 03:19, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Right. Okay, she is arguably the most influential Christian of her generation based on a quote from the guardian. What is the basis of that quote? Not sales from her music but because of Twitter and a BBC talk show. No comparisons are made to other Christians. Citing a newspaper is not sufficient...it's also what they're citing to backup that claim. How is her influence measured? In a vacuum where no other Christians exist? Twitter? A BBC talk show? You understand that there's billions of Christians in the world, right? 60,000 Twitter followers doesn't even scratch the surface of what would be influential. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.94.147.232 (talk • contribs) 22:24, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

I don’t know what the basis of that quote is. Perhaps Peter Ormerod, the author of the piece, should be consulted, or perhaps you should read the article written by him. Based on Wikipedia policy, verifiability is sufficient.

I find it disingenuous of you to suggest that there are "billions of Christians in the world" on several levels. First, the estimate is 2.2 billion (according to Pewforum.org). However, if you met a Roman Catholic, would you try to convert that person to your brand of Christianity? What about a Coptic Christian, Orthodox Christian or even a Jehovah’s Witness (who self-identify as Christian)? If we were to come down to those whom you personally believe are really Christians, I would imagine the number to be much smaller than 2.2 billion. Second, of the more than 7 billion people on the planet, how many have a Twitter account? As of two years ago, 232 million users. That means if about 3.5% of the planet has a Twitter account, and I’m being generous because many Twitter accounts are operated by corporate entities, that means about 63,000,000 of the previously stated number of Christians likely have a twitter account. So her number is a fair percentage of the total population, even though others may have more. Are they as influential? It’s not clear as we don’t have a source to argue that. So the current number of Twitter followers aside, she has a large number and we don’t know the impact of her coming out had on that number. Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:55, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

I read the article. Did you? It obviously should be categorized as an opinion piece by the wiki verified page you shared. It should say on this page: "Peter Ormerod of the Guardian said,...", not "she's been described". Described by who? That's too vague.

Yes, we don't have a source to argue that; that's the point. I love how you muddled the 2 billion number then used that same number to make your point for her influence. Even if there were 10 million Christians in the planet,her influence would not be measured by a Twitter account that only had 45,000 followers at the time.

Yes, we don't know how many followers she had before she came out, but, if you read the article yourself, you will see that this 45,000 number is what the author uses to make his case for her influence, and that matters, if this is what we're using to cite her influence. Now 45,000 out of 63 mil is not much. But, using Twitter and some appearances on a British talk show as a major source of influence is reaching. Even if the number were high. Isn't that common sense? She has no hit songs, no awards,...she just had a mediocre career compared to other artists like Phil Wickham, David Crowder, and Kari Kobe.

I would expect the most influential Christian of her gen to have success, at least make the cover of a magazine or something. Okay, I will just pretend you are right...millions of Christian's everywhere were highly influenced by her but decided not to buy her albums, award her, or write about her. Nope just a small amount followed her on Twitter and they were really influenced by her tweets, as everybody is powerfully moved by tweets. Then a smaller amount saw her guest appearance on her show, but it was really impactful to all Christians.

I'll leave it at that and agree to disagree with you. Sorry if that's disingenuous to you, but this citation is overstated and unreasonable.

I furrowed my brow a little when that piece came out. I am familiar with Beeching, but I realize many are not. She also doesn't get a lot of coverage in the news (except regarding her coming out). It might be good to follow the anon's advice of of qualifying the statement by adding "Peter Ormerod of the Guardian states..." Killiondude (talk) 20:35, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

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