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Removal of Bibliography

The 'Bibliography' section is being removed, I thought I'd start this talk page thread to try to determine why it was being removed. Is there some sort of policy or consensus that these sections do not belong in comic book articles? - SudoGhost™ 15:42, 31 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

While this information may be available elsewhere, it's exactly what I'd seek from such an entry. MartinSFSA (talk) 18:58, 31 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I wasn't involved with the discussion, but I've heard a consensus to remove bibliographies was reached at some point, though I don't remember where the discussion took place. Let's hope someone who knows happens to see this page (or you could probably post a question at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics, since I'm sure someone there will know). But I agree, I think it's useful information, so I'm not sure what their reasoning was for getting rid of them (although I guess for some characters the bibliography could get gigantic). DeadpoolRP (talk) 19:56, 31 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It depends on whether the bibliography is used for citation or just to list appearances. Given the small run of this comic, the entire series will probably be useful to cite specific issues as they will be more significant individually than say specific issues of a Spiderman or Batman comic. I'll format it to the same appearance as citation bibliographies and let someone familiar with the series actually cite from there. GRAPPLE X 01:52, 2 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have to agree, given the small run of the comic, it doesn't have the same problems that Batman (comic book) or X-Men would have with this section. It isn't overly large or unwieldy, and formatting it in similar manner to the citation bibliographies would help greatly, removing simply because other comics are too large for such a section seems to be unnecessary. - SudoGhost™ 02:07, 2 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Formatting is done. Anyone who is familiar with the series can cite issues now using the Harvard system, letting the bibliography give full citation for each issue. GRAPPLE X 02:11, 2 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I checked the Wikipedia:Manual of Style (comics), but I saw no mention of bibliographies not being included in pages. It in fact mentions bibliographies as a type of list that can either be included as a stand-alone article, or embedded in an article. So unless I'm mistaken, both consensus and the Wikipedia:Manual of Style (comics) seem to suggest keeping this, as opposed to deletion. - SudoGhost™ 02:22, 2 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think the section you are looking at is:

"A Bibliography page presents a list of relevant books, journal or other references for a subject area. Bibliographies are useful for expanding Further Reading topics for Summary style articles."

Which is one of a set of examples of "Stand Alone Lists" or list articles, not sections with in an article.

And right now character appearance lists or indexes are accepted within comics articles on characters. There is some latitude in that for articles that can or should cover a character and a series of the same title. But those lists tend to be limited to collected editions.

Right now the "Bibliography" is an index of appearances and really doesn't belong.

- J Greb (talk) 03:10, 2 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Right above the section you quotes it says "A list can stand alone as a self contained page, or it can be embedded in an article." - SudoGhost™ 03:13, 2 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

And the same section presents that each entry in the list should have, or possible have, its own article. Not even remotly likely here. Also, by the examples of "Embedded lists" an appearance list fails to meet anything close to the criteria.

Oh... one other thing. A salient point withing biblio... "relevant books, journal or other references" primary sources in this case are not references, they are primary works and honestly should be noted within the text of the lead and publication history. Not as a miss named "List of appearances".

- J Greb (talk) 11:23, 2 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Primary sources can be used when the content they verify isn't in contention - for such a short series, there will only be a limited plotline, and primary sources can be used to cite the occurrences within that - it's the same principle as using television episodes to cite what happens to certain characters in the show. GRAPPLE X 12:18, 2 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:WikiProject_Comics/exemplars concerning Bibliography: "This should be a complete list of all solo stories of the character, as with most comics bibliographies now in the form Booperman #1-499 (Geldof 3092 - Hexember 3189, Fictional Comics), presented as a bulleted list." The bibliography section should probably be conformed to this format. It also sounds like a misnamed "List of appearances". So in this case, it seems like this Bibliography is perhaps misformatted, but otherwise within the guidelines of Wikipedia:WikiProject_Comics/exemplars. - SudoGhost™ 13:21, 2 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Lost content

Can we re-add the nearly 10,000 bytes of lost content somewhere? – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 03:55, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]