Talk:Vermont Route F-5

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Not actually decommissioned in 2009

I just edited this page to remove the recent change claiming this route was decommissioned in 2009. Apologies for not leaving a better edit summary. I accidentally hit the publish button too quickly. Google street view shows that F5 signage was still present as recently as 2019. It's possible that has been removed in the past couple years, but I doubt it because my 2022 VT toursim highway map also still labels this road with F5. The previous change also said this road is "now known as County Road 3". I assume this was a mix up between a County Road, which doesn't exist in Vermont, and a Town Highway, which does. Ferry Road is, and always has been, Charlotte Town Highway 3 as well as Vermont Route F5. However, town highway numbers are mostly for internal usage by the town highway departments are not prominently signed in most cases. -- Ezekielf (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 03:15, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@@Ezekielf: As of 2017 this route still existed. [1] Unfortunately I've spent 30 minutes digging around the https://vtrans.vermont.gov/planning/maps site and couldn't come up with anything more concrete. You're welcome to dig around there and look for more data. --Rs chen 7754 03:37, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The more concrete information I have is that since my edit in June I've driven down this road and confirmed that the F5 signs are still there. Since you didn't mention it, I'll assume you didn't visit this location in person last week to see if the signs are still there or not. -- Ezekielf (talk) 20:05, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, I don't doubt that the route still exists (though I am across the country) but unfortunately due to WP:NOR we need to source something else for the article. --Rs chen 7754 01:11, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm an OpenStreetMap (OSM) editor and not really much of a Wikipedia editor. I only edited this page because the statement that the route didn't exist anymore was being referenced as a reason to delete the route from OSM. In OSM we encourage original research as the most reliable source. I don't really care what this page says as long as it doesn't cause people think they should delete the route from OSM. Feel free to reference the existence of the route in OSM as a source if you like 😀. -- Ezekielf (talk) 19:33, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It should be noted that in general (and this is not saying this is the case with this particular route, just noting this for the sake of thoroughness) that signage existing along a route is not necessarily indicative that a route continues to exist as a "live" obligation of the relevant organization. In some regions it's quite common for a route to be stricken from the books but signage remains in place for years or even decades. —Scott5114 ↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 01:57, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]