Talk:Veranda

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Origin of the term

The origin of this word is Barandaaz in Persian.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.94.99.233 (talk • contribs) 25 July 2006

Etymology

The etymology section in Wikipedia fails to acknowledge the three possible origins for the word. It also states that the word's origin "can be traced through Portuguese varanda ("balcony") to a Bengali word", when in fact it's the other way around (it was brought into the English and French languages from India, but it was used in Portuguese texts before the Indian languages had any influence on Portuguese). — Preceding unsigned comment added by RMN (talk • contribs) 25 November 2006

Not according to the Oxford English Dictionary which gives as its first spelling "Veranda":

Etymology: Originally introduced from India, where the word is found in several Indian languages, as Hindi varandā, Bengali bārāndā, modern Sanskrit baranda, but appears to be merely an adoption of Portuguese and older Spanish varanda (baranda) railing, balustrade, balcony. French véranda appears to have been adopted < English.

The evidence for the origin of the word is fully presented in Yule and Burnell's Hobson-Jobson. The supposition that it was native to India accounts for some of the spellings placed under δ.

-- PBS (talk) 10:16, 6 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There is a Malayalam word "varanda" meaning "dry," which might be only a "false friend." Jarble (talk) 01:14, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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In Australia, especially . . .especially on pubs. In Scotland, it is also used for the upper-floor balconies on many tenement buildings.

Colonial/Federation period domestic dwellings in Queensland and Northern New South Wales Australia are characterised by Verandahs, especially the Queenslander. They are also emblematic of the antebellum U.S. South.

The British Indian comedy show Goodness Gracious Me made a skit about "Mr Everything Comes From India" sitting on the verandah with his son who remarked that it was a nice English summer afternoon. "Mr Everything Comes From India" then blew the lid as he insisted about how "the Queen's language" is rubbish because words like "verandah" and "shampoo" are really Indian words.

This is unsourced material and not oriented toward a world view of architecture. Thanks! Mattisse 17:22, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This material and other removed material was copyvio from [1]

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A veranda is a large balcony on the level of a ground floor. In Australia, especially in warmer northern climates, the word may also be applied to similar upper floor balconies, especially on pubs. In Scotland, it is also used for the upper-floor balconies on many tenement buildings.

Colonial/Federation period domestic dwellings in Queensland and Northern New South Wales Australia are characterised by Verandahs, especially the Queenslander. They are also emblematic of the antebellum U.S. South.

Etymology

Although it is fairly certain that this word came to English from an Indian language (probably the Bengali word barandah which refers to the open area around one's house), the ultimate origin of the word is far less clear.

There appear to be three major theories: 1. It originates from Sanskrit (or Prakrit) and spread to Europe from India during the colonial period. 2. It originates in Persian and became part of various North Indian languages sometime in the last 1000 years or so, wherafter it spread to Europe. 3. It originates in Iberia (Portuguese or Spanish) and spread through India and back to Britain during European colonization.

Portugal was the first European power to establish a permanent colony and mercantilist trading presence in India, after Vasco Da Gama's discovery of the sea route to India in 1498. However, the word "varanda" can be found (with no explanation of its meaning, suggesting it was a well established Portuguese word) in texts from that same year, namely Vasco da Gama's own travel log. In other words, it seems extremely unlikely that the word, as used in Portugal and Spain, was imported from an Indian language. It may have been the other way around, or the words may have evolved independently, perhaps from an older (unknown) common source.

More details can be found in the entry[1] for verandah in the Hobson-Jobson[2] Glossary of Anglo-Indian Colloquial Words and Phrases.

The word "verandah" is also a common word in Malayalam (Spoken in Kerala, India). A verandah is a part of traditional architecture of Kerala. It is an open balcony in the front side or around the main structure, invariably covered supported by pillars.

Trivia

The British Indian comedy show Goodness Gracious Me made a skit about "Mr Everything Comes From India" sitting on the verandah with his son who remarked that it was a nice English summer afternoon. "Mr Everything Comes From India" then blew the lid as he insisted about how "the Queen's language" is rubbish because words like "verandah" and "shampoo" are really Indian words.

Sincerely, Mattisse 18:01, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Informal merge discussion

Anyone interested please see:

Talk:Porch#Informal merge discussion concerning the possible consolidation of articles such as
Screened porch,
Sleeping porch,
Porch sitting, and this article into:
- Porch

This is especially relevant since the four images on this article are three of various "porches" and one of a screened porch that is also referred to as a screened-in porch. A search of "Veranda" brings up a definition and synonyms:

porch, gallery, balcony, lanai, sun porch, and stoop. ---- Otr500 (talk) 13:05, 19 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Purpose

It may be worth pointing out WHY the verandah became such a prominent feature of vernacular architecture in Australia. This is a hot country, and the verandah was in effect an extended run of eaves intended to shade the walls. This extra roof area, supported by uprights, doubled as an outdoor living area. 2001:44B8:3102:BB00:C47F:76:139E:2EAD (talk) 22:21, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]