Talk:Venus in fiction

Comprehensivness

Like many similar topics, this article IMHO suffers from Western/Englih bias. I think we do a very good job summarizing English sources, which however mostly focus on UK/US, with a small not towards Western Europe (i.e. the traditional Western Canon bias). We tried to find some coverage from other parts of the world, and we do mention one Polish, maybe two Russian and two Japanese (anime) works. But I am reasonably sure there is more from other European countries, Western and Eastern, not too mention other parts of the world (not just Japan, there is Chinese, African, Korean sf, etc.). Alas, if sources exist for such topics, they are not in English. I'll note I looked into the Polish sources for Polish coverage of this, and there's next to nothing outside what I wrote about Lem. If there is any more coverage of his work, or that of other writers, I couldn't find it, so if there was some Polish sf with Venusian theme, it clearly wasn't impactful even in Poland. Again, that may not be true for some other countries, but if there was some impactful, let's say, Korean sf about Venus, it didn't make a splash in English yet. Oh well. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:53, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

A major missing canon seems to be Dan Dare/The Mekon/The Treens, of the multiple incarnations of the Eagle comic and also as a standalone, which is possibly the largest Venusian science fiction canon extant. 81.102.20.141 (talk) 07:42, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

Dan Dare/The Mekon/Treens. Interesting (also, arguably the last two articles are not notable). Unfortunately no source we found so far discussed those works in the context of Venus. @TompaDompa? _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:12, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

Not something I've come across, no. TompaDompa (talk) 10:26, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

Quick and dirty solution - add it as a see also for now? _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:07, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Found a usable source and added it. TompaDompa (talk) 08:53, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

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Venus appears in many pulp science fiction stories. Seen here is the winter 1939 cover of Planet Stories, featuring "Gold Amazons of Venus".

• ... that classic depictions of Venus in fiction often portrayed it as a lush, verdant paradise, an oceanic planet, or fetid swampland, inhabited by dinosaur-like beasts? Source: https://www.nytimes.com/1978/05/28/archives/growing-up-with.html and others
  • ALT1: ... that from the mid-20th century, as the reality of Venus' harsh surface conditions became known, the early tropes of adventures in Venusian tropics gave way to more realistic stories? Source: numerous sources listed at the end of the first paragraph "Later depictions: hostile inferno". Ex. https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/venus
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Improved to Good Article status by Piotrus (talk) and TompaDompa (talk). Nominated by Piotrus (talk) at 10:00, 10 August 2022 (UTC).

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Overall: There's quite a lot going on in the 1939 image but I think it's clear enough to use at 100px. (If admins disagree, maybe the 1950 image could be used instead?) There's documentation on the 1939 image's Wikicommons page that I believe is good evidence that the picture is public domain. It would be good to see some ALT text for images per MOS:ALT - or maybe "alt=refer to caption" for the third and fourth images. I reviewed the three matches above 1% on Earwig's Copyvio Detector - no concerns. Both proposed hooks are fine - I prefer ALT1. Approving as I don't think the lack of text is a blocker for DYK. Thanks to editors who helped get this to GA. 10:33, 11 August 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by BennyOnTheLoose (talk • contribs)

A tidbit for globalization

While working on the bio of Polish early sf writer Władysław Umiński, I found a reliable source (on GBooks but in Polish) mentioning that his 1948 novel Zaziemskie światy is set on Venus. The text states that it mixes sf and occult elements. Pl wiki has a well-referenced article on the novel (I'll try to translate it in the foreseeable future), which states "The novel describes the first interplanetary flight in history - to Venus, where he encounters a developed civilization of people who settled there after leaving Atlantis". I assume we can find a place to mention the book? @TompaDompa _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:26, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Certainly. I added it as an additional example of Venusians from Atlantis but commented it out until we have a suitable source for that statement. I expect you'll do a better job of finding such a source than I would, Piotrus. TompaDompa (talk) 20:32, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Are the sources cited on pl wiki not suitable? I see this in here.

_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:51, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

It seems to at least be okay, though I can't tell if it's an ideal source. I added it, at any rate. TompaDompa (talk) 03:16, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

While it is a minor Polish academic journal, it is reliable. And I read the paper and it is interesting and seemingly well researched through offline primary source querries, as those things go. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:10, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

For future reference, it is now cited to the entry for Władysław Umiński in The Encyclopedia of Science Fiction, written by a familiar name. TompaDompa (talk) 15:17, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

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