Talk:Ventnor/GA1

GA Review

Article (edit | visual edit | history) · Article talk (edit | history) · Watch

Reviewer: Ykraps (talk · contribs) 11:43, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I gave this a thorough review in April, see Wikipedia:Peer review/Ventnor/archive1 and haven't really left myself much more to say. But here goes...

History

"...during both the Iron Age and early Roman periods" - As the Iron 'Age' is already defined as a period, shouldn't the sentence read, "...during both the Iron Age and early Roman period" (singular)?

Does St Catherines Point have an apostrophe? St. Catherine's Point seems to think so but then it also has a full stop after St, and that's contrary to MOS.

Geography

The link [[Ventnor#Flowers Brook|Flowers Brook]] doesn't go anywhere useful. Probably best to remove.

St. Catherine's now has an apostrophe and a full stop. Whatever the spelling, it should be consistent. My choice would be St Catherine's but up to you.

Climate

Remove link from St Catherine's Point and add to the first mention in the History section.

Wildlife

Add a link to subtidal.

Demography

EU - write out in full (European Union) on first mention, and link.

Landmarks

"...St Boniface Down is just a kilometre north of and high above the town"' - This seems ambiguous to me. Is it also 1km high? If not, perhaps switch it to say, high above and 1km north of the town. (Just a suggestion)
I don't think esplanade needs capitals and in fact you have used it later uncapitalised. Also link on the first mention only. Unless you are making the point that that is its proper name. In which case, I would, at the first mention, say ...will be familiar to many visitors. It is backed by an esplanade (uncapitalised and linked), then there after refer to it as the Esplanade (capitalised). (again, a suggestion)

Education

link three-tier
Not sure 'special school' is this week's PC term. I don't think the term is widely understood outside the UK either. Perhaps being more specific could help here? A school for (learning difficulties/autistic/physically handicapped), perhaps?

Notable people

" Karl Marx rented a house at 1 Saint Boniface Gardends" - Is this a typo? (Gardens?)

General

Throughout, there are a lot of measurements given which would benefit from a conversion template.

References

There some weird capitalisation caused by copying and pasting titles, presumably. Not a fail but would definitely benefit from having lower-case where appropriate.
Ref No 45 - Was this published by Alpine Center for Natural Hazards and Risks Prevention (US spelling)? If that's the proper name, fair enough otherwise this is a typo that needs correcting.
Ref No 126 - Not necessary for this, but I believe statistics from the ONS website are preferred.
Ref No 155 - doesn't qualify as a reliable source. Do you have anything else? Some of the other references are of dubious quality but don't reference anything controversial.

That's about it. Doesn't seem like much work but I'll put on hold for the customary 7 days. Feel free to question anything I've mentioned here. Regards--Ykraps (talk) 11:22, 26 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Again, many thanks for this. All the changes are done, except for the following remarks:

I have added the earlier link to St Catherine's Point but kept the one that's in a table, as duplicated links from tables and infoboxes are permissible, and I don't believe someone interested in the location of the climate data can reasonably be expected to have read through the history section;
Good point.
I have done the subtidal link but it does mean two adjacent links with no separating word;
That happens often and although it looks confusing, it's perfectly okay.
I have added the EU link but not spelled it out, as it must qualify as a common abbreviation under the MoS;
It does indeed.Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Abbreviations#Countries and multinational unions
I have deleted the "high above" altogether, as a subjective comment
Okay.
I have moved references to the esplanade as an entity into lower case, keeping upper case just for those that are clearly to the street address;
Okay
I have dealt with the 'special' (school) point by way of a link;
Good idea.
I haven't done the measurements point; I will look into this but not sure what value it adds, especially where accurate conversions are already given?
One of the advantages is that one can be sure that the conversion is genuine and accurate. But in any event, it was more of a suggestion.
Ref 45 is a French website with an English version, which (surprisingly) uses the American spelling;
Fair enough.
I have left Ref 126 but will look at this later
As I said, it's not necessary here but I believe the ONS is considered a better reference, particularly at FAC. Again, just a suggestion, no action is required.
Ref 155 may not be a good source as far as its commentary is concerned, but it does contain a contemporary photo of the model Ventnor radar masts and planes used for the film; I would consider the photo a reliable source?
I was just hoping there was a better source available but I haven't been able to find one. I don't think this is likely to be challenged however and I'm not in the least bit inclined to fail the article on that single, minor point.
What is the objection to citations preserving the capitalisation of the source?
Purely aesthetic. In the same way that one might be picked up during an FAC source check for having some page numbers listed with a full stop and others not. As I said, not a fail.

MapReader (talk) 11:35, 27 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, as I mentioned at the start, I gave the article a thorough peer review, have now had a second good look and I can't see any good reason not to promote this. I hope you enjoyed the process and feel proud of your accomplishment.--Ykraps (talk) 16:20, 27 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you kindly. A good portion of the accomplishment is yours for such diligent attention. I would hope to pursue FA in due course and will review the outstanding points meantime. Kind regards MapReader (talk) 18:20, 27 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]